ONE OF THE ELECTION OF GRACE

August 27, 2008

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LUCIFER AND SATAN

Some people hear “Lucifer” and “Satan” and just think those are the names of the Devil and don’t even question why. There is a huge difference between the two names and when they were his names. When taking all of this in with the meaning of his names, it can provide you a whole lot of wisdom about not just him, but about us and why we are here. That’s a trip for you to take if you decide to though. I cannot go any further than where this post ends.

In the KJV and other translated versions of the Bible, for some reason they mistranslated the word “Lucifer”. Lucifer in the Hebrew is actually Helel (hay-LALE). If you open a Hebrew OT, it would read in the Hebrew “Helel”, not Lucifer. The definition of it is “morning star”. Only one time does the Bible mention the word Helel, or “Lucifer”. That is in Isaiah 14:12. There’s a reason for that. It mentions what Helel’s crime was, in which he was banished from God and sentenced to everlasting torture. It says Helel exalted himself above all of the other stars of God and tried to be the god of the congregation. Helel was Satan’s name before he committed his crime.

Satan in the Hebrew means “the opponent” or “adversary”. There’s a reason for that too. Satan is what he became after his crime. He was the morning star, and now he’s the adversary. Since the days of Adam, he has been known as Satan. The reason why he’s mentioned as Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12 is because that’s what he was known as when he committed this crime. Since the days of Adam, Satan has been the adversary. People don’t trace back what is written in Revelation 20:2 back to the serpent written of in Genesis with Adam and Eve. “And he laid hold on the dragon, THAT OLD SERPENT, which is the devil and Satan and bound him for a thousand years.” What was John of Patmos referring to?

Ba’al was a fertility god of the pagans, but was he more than that? In Elijah’s time, Ba’al was the great opponent god and Jezebel was the chief pagan prophetess. As Paul reiterates the conversation between Elijah and God in Romans 11, he adds something that really puts traditional teaching into question. As is written, God tells Elijah “I have reserved to myself 7000 men who have not bowed the knee to Ba’al.” Traditional teachers have said that God meant there were 7000 people living in Israel who did not bow the knee to this pagan god. That’s wrong. If God reserves to himself a person, it means that that particular person has not lived yet. Proof of that is what Paul said afterward. “Even so at this present time there is also a remnant according to the election of grace.” A remnant. That means there are still some left. Elijah lived around 900 BC. Paul wrote this around 900 years afterward. There couldn’t be any living still if the traditional teachers are correct. God reserves to himself a person by not letting them live. In that particular conversation God meant that He has reserved to Himself 7000 men (and women) for the last generation. When else? Also Paul said that these people were not chosen for any work they have done, or else it would not be called grace. Faith is a work. Showing faith is a good work. Being unfaithful is a bad work. These people did not show their faith in this life in order to be chosen. That is what Paul was trying to clarify. Another secret to all of this is what Ba’al truly was. Ba’al may have been the pagan god of fertility, but he was also the deity of Venus. Lucifer means the morning star. What is the morning star? Venus is. Take it from there. I cannot go any further. I wish you luck.

11 Comments »

  1. baal or lucifer….it is still bad news…..

    only Yahweh is God

    marianne
    http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/

    Comment by Marianne — October 24, 2008 @ 6:25 AM |Reply

  2. Sooo then Ba’al is the deity of Lucifer, who’s name refer’s as before he was Satan.

    Comment by Torpedo — June 4, 2009 @ 1:40 PM |Reply

  3. Not quite. Ba’al is not the deity of any angel. Ba’al was the deity of pagans.

    Comment by Jesse Norman II — June 4, 2009 @ 2:53 PM |Reply

  4. Paganism is not a religion. The word pagan means “a person who has not heard the word of god”

    Comment by Aidan Friesen — June 21, 2009 @ 3:19 PM |Reply

  5. Ba’al was a god to the pagans. Many, many Jews followed the pagans and they heard of God. What does that make them?

    Comment by Jesse Norman II — June 22, 2009 @ 1:21 AM |Reply

  6. What a bizarre post, ending with “What is the morning star? Venus is. Take it from there. I cannot go any further.”. What could you possibly mean by that, other than you have no idea how to explain it so you suddenly bail out with fake mysticism?

    Comment by jimmy — June 25, 2009 @ 9:27 PM |Reply

  7. That’s some accusation coming from a person with no thought process. I said at the beginning of the post that I cannot go all that far, so I didn’t “suddenly bail out with fake mysticism”. I can only say certain things on here. Now if only one of the election of grace were to read my posts, then I can speak openly and go a lot further. I will not answer why that is. If you can read this post and think I have no idea how to explain things, then that’s your problem. I did reveal what Satan’s name meant, what it used to be (Helel) and what that meant. I’m sure you didn’t know those things before reading my post, so show some respect.

    Comment by Jesse Norman II — June 26, 2009 @ 6:56 AM |Reply

  8. It doesn’t seem like such a far stretch that Baal is another name for Satan, it seems to me that all false idols are just forms of Satan. If you are not for God, then you are against him, if you are against him than you are a child of Satan. Any religion or cult that doesn’t follow Gods word is against God therefore those who belong to them also belong to Satan. I finally see what you are saying about the 7000. Are there any more verses in the Bible that refer to them?
    I am trying to read the Bible with a “clear mind”, it is hard after 20 years of doctrine has been pounded into your head. Right now I feel very drawn to Revelation and the Tribulation, although I am unsure of why. I have been deeply studing the Anti Christ and finally have understanding. But I feel like there is something more that I still have to find, hopefully, trying to put everything that I have been taught out of my mind will help me find what I am searching for. Thanks for the advice.

    Comment by brandy — June 30, 2009 @ 4:34 PM |Reply

  9. There’s a lot about the election of grace, especially in Romans. I’m still finding verses here and there that speak of the elect that I had not known previously. Some you have to figure out that the Bible is talking about the elect. Just have to have most of the control of your thoughts with your soul to find them and figure them out. There also is Revelation 11:13. At that point their jobs will be done. They will leave this creation to endure the rest and then make their choice. Only 144,000 will not be affected by the test Satan and the fallen angels press onto men during the worst five months this age will ever see. At that point this creation will know what the right choice is. The hard part will be sticking to it.

    Comment by Jesse Norman II — June 30, 2009 @ 8:01 PM |Reply

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