SATAN, THE TRUE FATHER OF CAIN *UPDATED 10/29/14*

I have decided to update this page to clean up and clarify a few things, which I do now and then in other posts. Sometimes there are spelling and grammatical errors, plus I want things to flow smoother, so I do edit my posts now and then. Sometimes I learn new things as well.

As the title of this post says, Satan was the father of Cain. Not Adam. I will prove this with the Word and will tie it into what is happening in the world today.

Eve was beguiled by the serpent, but the serpent wasn’t a snake as is assumed. Revelation 12:9 and 20:2 refers to Satan as being “that old serpent”. After it was revealed to God that Adam and Eve sinned by eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, God said to the serpent that his seed and the woman’s seed would have enmity, and even described the enmity, saying “it shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.” Before editing this post, I had discussions with people commenting here and on other posts that Eve must have had twins. A while back I have found proof of this in the original Hebrew. In Genesis 4:2, it says “and she again bare his brother Abel”, but the Hebrew word there for again was “yaw-SAF”, which means “continued”. Another thing that was discussed was how Eve said she had gotten a child from the Lord when having Cain. As I said, Satan was told of his child, but Eve was not. The most important thing to consider though is that no child can come from Satan. What I mean by that is only God can create a soul. Also, no matter how powerful Satan is, he cannot do anything against the will of God. No matter how you look at it, it was God who gave Eve Cain.

There were other races with Adam, as I write “How Did Cain Marry A Woman?”, so when Cain went east into the land of Nod and married a woman, a new nation was born. That nation was called the Kenites. The Kenites were a nation of people that settled mostly in Canaan and Midian. Since the Jews and Kenites were closely related by way of Eve, they had the same enemies. Thus on the Israelites trek through the wilderness where they fought their enemies, the Kenites helped being that they had the same enemies. From that moment on, the Kenites were part of the Jews on their way to Israel. Even before then, Moses married a Kenite as it reveals in Judges 1:16 that Moses’ father-in-law was a Kenite. In 1st Chronicles 2:55, the Kenites were appointed to be scribes due to their ability to convince the masses of their interpretation of the law. Over the years, the Kenites went in the way of their father Cain, who went in the way of his father Satan.

In Numbers 24:21-22 proves that Kenites were from Cain. “And he (Balaam) looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said ‘Strong is your dwellingplace, and you put your nest in a rock. Nevertheless the *Kenite* shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry you away captive.'” While “Kenites” was correctly translated, “Kenite” was not. The original Hebrew word was “Cain”. It should read “Nevertheless the Cain shall be wasted…” This not only proves Kenites were of the line of Cain, but also somehow Kenites survived the flood since this is after the flood of Noah. The line of Cain never broke.

God’s angel Helel committed a great crime in the eyes of God. An unforgiveable crime. Helel wanted power. He wanted to become God. What is commonly written in the translated versions of Isaiah 14:12 as “Lucifer” was actually in the original Hebrew Helel. Lucifer is the Latin translation of Helel, which means “brightness”, “lightbearer”. There is some wisdom to the translation that the Catholic Church did, being in the next line “son of the morning”. Lucifer in Latin is also their word for the morningstar, which happens to be Venus. That is connected in code to Romans 11. After Helel’s unforgiveable sin, God sentenced him to everlasting punishment but would postpone this because He still needs him. The angels are done making their choice, and a third followed Helel. Our creation however is not done making our choice. God also changed his name from Helel to Satan, which means “adversary” and in some cases in the OT means “persecute”. Both important and apt meanings. God needs Satan to weed out from our creation the unfaithful from the faithful. This way, the faithful can keep their free will without fear of becoming future Satans or following future Satans, since Satan is the Great Tempter. He was for the angels, and he will be so for our creation. If God didn’t allow Satan to do this, then either our free will would be taken away or we could be going through this cycle over and over again. Who’s to say this isn’t the first time this choice has been brought to our creation? The reason why Helel/Lucifer is only mentioned one time in the Bible is because that is what he was known as when he committed this crime. Since then, he has been known as Satan. He was known as Satan in the days of Adam as was revealed in Rev. 20:2.

The children of Cain are the children of Satan, and if they go in the way of evil, they will be power-hungry. They are also very convincing and manipulative. They would say they are Jews, but are not. They would have an antagonism for Israel, Israelites, and Christians, since they believe in God’s only begotten Son. The scribes and Pharisees Jesus scorned were Kenites, calling them “serpents” and “a generation of vipers”. According to the original Greek, that word “generation” was “offspring”, and accused them of killing the righteous Abel. Who was the serpent, the offspring of vipers, and killed Abel? Satan was the serpent, and Cain, his son killed Abel because he was tormented (it shall bruise your head) by the good works of his brother (and you shall bruise his heel). The heel being part of the foot means “action”, “work”.

Many things the innocent Jews are blamed for are perpetrated by Kenites. The synagogue of Satan that Jesus spoke of in Rev 3:9 will be started by Kenites (people who say they are Jews, but are not). George Soros is a Kenite. Karl Marx was a Kenite, who came up with a plan to use the “have nots”, who outnumber the “haves” to propel him to totalitarian power by exploiting their covetousness. The idea was to use the “have nots” to force the “haves” to align with him by threatening, and if necessary, killing the “haves” to secure an oligarchy. Lenin made it look like he was on the side of the “have nots”, and claimed he would bring social justice and fairness if the people did what he told them. The mantra “kill the rich” started with the Russian Revolution, and the unions and the youth that did so were called “useful idiots” by Lenin. He knew why they were killing the rich, but they didn’t. They believed murder could lead to harmony. Instead, once the transition of power came, the true intentions of Lenin and marxism was revealed. The “useful idiots” inevitably realized they were used and lied to, but they forced the rich to partner with Lenin, so they had no resources for another revolution. Stalin finished the job by killing millions of Russians who threatened the new state, many of them through starvation.

Many “Jews” that hate Jews are Kenites. Many people thought of as power hungry Jews are Kenites that work with subtlety, just as the serpent was. That is why an elitist marxist’s first rule is to hide they are marxists. In marxist literature they not only work with subtlety, but manipulate because they are of their fathers or they are influenced by those who are of their fathers. Satan, the Kenites, and those who have hollowed themselves empty will find the Jews and Christians to be their enemies. This is how it is written and this is how it will be done.

I urge you all to read the previous post “The Ride You’re All Being Taken On”, which really is the first part of this post.

http://jnormanii.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/the-ride-youre-all-being-taken-on/

UPDATE: This is something I felt I had to write since I have gotten many word searches that lead to this post (and a couple of others) that have me shaking my head. I applaud all who ask questions on their search bars and find my site, so I’ve never taken any person’s word search to task before. I hope I never have to again. This word search though I have to respond to. The word search was “Cain is the father of the Jews”. I can’t stand Jew-haters. Can’t stand them because if they are supposedly Christians, then they ignore so much of the Bible because it does their ability to Jew-hate no good, so it insults my intelligence and my title as a real Christian. The examples I could give run a mile long, which I won’t give here. I have many other times in other posts at my site. You may want to check out “Those Who Hate Jews” pts 1 and 2. This was such an ignorant word search I can’t hold my tongue. It is written so plainly in Genesis 5 that Adam fathered Seth (since Abel died and Cain was banished), and on and on were the lines of the Jews listed. Let me clue you in, those of you who hate Jews and think that Jesus was a lily-white Irish-looking man. Adam in Hebrew means “ruddy complected”. God named Adam “ruddy complected” because of his skin color in Genesis 5. Let’s look at Genesis 5 and on when it comes to the descendants of the ruddy complected. Adam fathered Seth, and from Seth was Enos and from Enos on and on came Enoch. From Enoch on and on and onto Noah. Then from Noah on and on to King David. Then there’s Matthew 1 where it goes from King David and on and on to Jesus. What do you know? Jesus was of the line of the ruddy complected! Jesus was a ruddy complected JEW. Jesus wasn’t an Irish man drinking Guinness in a corner pub, nor was He a German eating liverwurst wearing swastika armbands with tattoos all over with a shaved head. Jesus’ real name was Y’shua or Yeshua, which is a Jewish name that means “God saved”. The English version of Y’shua (when you cut out the Greek) is Joshua. Jesus is the English pronunciation of the Greek version of the Hebrew word Y’shua. He was a ruddy complected JEW! To think otherwise is imbecilic. Just as those who say they are Christians but yet hate Jews and Israel. I have news for you. Not only are you imbecilic, but you are no Christian. Psalm 129:5 “Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.” Badee badee badee what? Let me repeat that. “Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.” Of course that does the Jew-hating no good so somebody idiotic will try to parse this conclusive, definitive verse from King David who was also one of the ruddy complected. Continue with your blindness if you will, but don’t you dare call yourself a Christian. Humble yourself and let your moronic hatred go, or you will go…. you know where.

I have just written a page at the top of the site called “Attention Jew-haters:”. I have a couple of things there that can’t be contended with by Jew-haters who read the Bible. I also tell the truth about the origin of the word “Jew” and how the original word wasn’t always only referring to Judeans. I urge everyone to read it. It is one of my most important writings.

192 comments on “SATAN, THE TRUE FATHER OF CAIN *UPDATED 10/29/14*

  1. oleg says:

    If God knew that so why would he do that? I mean .. if everything is predestined by God… what for… all it

  2. Jesse Norman II says:

    Everything isnt predestined by God, hence why we still have a choice to make. Even after this age and the next, and when the great judgment is over, we will still have free will. God loves us so much that He doesn’t want to take away our free will, at least those of us who are faithful. Those that aren’t after they’ve been given every opportunity under the Sun to be faithful, will be punished everlasting. As it says in Romans 8, only the election of grace are predestined to do anything. In Romans 11, it says that in the last generation that there will only be 7000 that God reserved called the election of grace. That means nearly all of our creation have no destiny other than being forced to make the choice for salvation.

  3. PaulioliRavioli says:

    Now wait just a minute Brother you said Moses married a Kenite? Let me show you something: If you moved to Philadelphia, PA would that change your prodgeny make-up? If you live in a city were Kenites live would that make you a Kenite? If I live in Philadelphia PA dose that make me no longer a Sicilian? I contend that 1 Chronicles Chapter 2 verse 55 is refering to a geographic location not Moses father-in-law being a genetic Kenite. We need to be awful careful with the bible. It looks like you have figured out some pretty neat things, but I think you goofed on the part of Moses father-in-law being a Kenite. Thank you, Humbily, PaulioiRavioli

    • Jesse Norman II says:

      I thank you kindly for your input. Moses when he was banished from Egypt found himself in Midian, which is where his future wife and father-in-law lived. There was no geographical place named after the Kenites who were a nomadic tribe. Most, if not all of the Kenites settled in Midian and Canaan. Moses’ wife was a Kenite that lived in Midian. I agree we must be careful when it comes to the Bible, which is why I always am. I think my other posts will show that. God bless.

      • Teresa R. says:

        Judges 1:16 clearly reads: “And the children of the Ken’ ite, Moses’ father-in-law, went up out of the cityof palm trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah which lieth in the south of A’-rad;and they went and dwelt among the people.” God’s word clearly states that Moses married a Kenite.

      • steve says:

        It is easy to get the Bloodlines all Mixed Up if you don’t do enough research…. Jethro/aka.Reuel (father in law of moses) was ONLY Kenite by LOCATION (Jericho=city of Palm Trees/the Kenites Land), and was NOT a Kenite, but in fact was a “MIDIAN PRIEST” (Exodus ch.2 vs.16).. And to be a “Midian Priest” you Had to be of That Bloodline. Midian is “ABRAHAM’S SON” from his 2nd Wife KETURAH (Genesis ch.25 vs.1-3), NOTHING to do with Kenites.

        Also: OTHNIEL is CALEBS NEPHEW (Judges ch.1 vs.13) by way of: “Calebs Father was Jephunneh (Numbers ch.13),” and “Kenaz (Othniels Father) was Calebs YOUNGER BROTHER,” making Othniel, Calebs NEPHEW (Judges ch.1 vs.13).

        This Bloodline (Israelites), is of The “Man” Adam=ready complected/White etc….the TRUE ISRAELITES, who the Truth would come through ( In Hebrew dic…Link: to http://www.sacrednamebible.com [PAGE: http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/STRHEB1.htm%5D ) …119 ‘adam aw-dam’ to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:–be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).

        It is in Fact, the Kenites=sons of CAIN/Satan Child, who CLAIM to be JEWS, but LIE, and are of the Synagogue/SPERM/BLOODLINE/GENEALOGY etc. of Satan (Revelation ch.2-9 ch.3-9)(Mathew ch.13)(Numbers ch.24), and you can Read in: (1Chronicles ch.2 vs.55) – where they (Kenites) were “SCRIBES” for the Tribe of Judah, and ONLY Judaen BY LOCATION, NOT BLOOD. They (Kenites) have Crept in EVERYWHERE (Jude ch.1 – certain men crept in Unawares, Godless men, Denying our ONLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY).

      • Jesse Norman says:

        What law/rule was there that in order to be a Midianite priest that they had to be of that bloodline? The only law concerning such a thing came after Moses’ father-in-law became a priest from God to Moses. I did leave out another mistranslation in this post similar to the one in Numbers 24 that is quite conclusive that Moses’ father-in-law was indeed a Kenite by blood. Before I get to that, will just one person tell me how one would be known as a Kenite by location since they were nomadic. There was NO land named after Kenites. As is written correctly translated in Numbers 4:11 “Now Heber the Cain, which was of the children of Hobab, the father-in-law of Moses, had separated himself from the Kenites and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.” I’ll leave it at that.

      • steve says:

        Jethro/aka.Reuel is talking below in the third verse….read the last eight words…. and I might add…if you study names in God’s word you’ll see they will more likely represent who they really are…”Reuel” means “friend of God”…It’s doubtful that he was a Kenite… and God will even change the names of people to show there true colors….A prime example of this was when Saul, who was known for persecuting Christians, became known as Paul, the disciple of Jesus.

        Exod 18:1-3
        1 When Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses’ father in law, heard of all that God had done for Moses, and for Israel his people, and that the LORD had brought Israel out of Egypt;

        2 Then Jethro, Moses’ father in law, took Zipporah, Moses’ wife, after he had sent her back,

        3 And her two sons; of which the name of the one was Gershom; for he said, ‘I have been an alien in a strange land': (KJV)

        Lexicon :: Strong’s H7467….Reuel or Raguel = “friend of God”; the father-in-law of Moses; also ‘Jethro';father of Eliasaph, the leader of the tribe of Gad at the time of the census at Sinai; a Benjamite, ancestor of Elah

        Check out the names of people in God’s Word and see if their names add up to who they are….

        http://www.behindthename.com/names/usage/biblical

      • Jesse Norman says:

        Did I get anything wrong in that verse I wrote in my reply? It’s very clear this relationship was by blood descendant. Were there not Kenites that were holy in the Bible? Even Cain was given a chance to do good works by God, but he chose the wrong path. Being a Kenite isn’t a destiny for evil. There is not one Kenite that doesn’t have a soul created by God within them. Those who choose the wrong path have given way to the traits Satan has. I ask all to put what is written above all intuition or thought. Once a person casts away what is written (in this case Numbers 4:11), they cease from achieving more wisdom. God bless.

      • steve says:

        Jesse…I agree!

        In His Service A Watchman For God….steve

      • steve says:

        Jesse…Just to let you know…Numbers 4:11 should be:
        Judges 4:11

        Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh. KJV

        We all make mistakes….begin each day anew.

        Lamentations 3:22 “It is of the Lord’s mercies that we are not consumed, because His compassions fail not.”

        If God turned us completely over to the Kenites, there wouldn’t be any of us left. But God does protect us, and it is good to thank Him for that protection.

        Lamentations 3:23 “They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.”

        God’s mercies are fresh every morning of every day.

        Lamentations 3:24 ” “The Lord is my portion,” sayeth my soul; “therefore will I hope in Him.” ”

        The Lord is who feeds and gives strength to our spiritual body ….Start each day anew in Christ

        God Bless….steve

      • Jesse Norman says:

        You’re correct. I still had the mistranslation of Numbers in my head. It happens all the time.

      • steve says:

        Jesse…For Christ to be born of man (Read…become “The Son of man”), there had to be a pure blood line, or pedigree of man, without the mixture of the fallen angels, nor of Satan’s offspring the Kenites, and at the time of Noah….his family was the only pure pedigree of the Adamic bloodline remaining on earth. All mankind became polluted in mixture by the fallen angles (Read…That was the reason for the flood of Noah), and this corruption before God is called violence in Genesis 6:11; “The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.”. This pedigree is what was protected by God through the flood.

        Genesis 10 gives us the generations from Noah, through Shem to the parentage of Abraham, and you can study Abraham’s righteousness in the fourth chapter of Romans.

        Satan has tried to destroy the blood line whereby the Christ child, Jesus would be born in many ways, but Satan and his angles did not get their job done. Even today Satan is trying to destroy us. If one stays in God’s Word we will not be destroyed by Satans deceit and violence.

        Peace through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ….steve

      • Jesse Norman says:

        Kenites certainly survived the flood somehow, or else they wouldn’t exist after the flood. God was not trying to stop the spread of Satan’s seed with the flood or else the flood would have taken them also. Satan wasn’t trying to defile the line of Adam. He was wanting to help bring about the conflict in having sex with Eve. This is the same reason he used Mohamad by staking claim to the seed of Abraham, thus the land of Israel. Satan was going to corrupt this age at some point because somebody was going to eat from the tree of knowledge. Jesus is the foundation of this world, so this means He was destined to live and die for the remission of sins before sin was brought to this age.

        Satan’s line were the Kenites and they survived the flood or else they would not be written of after the flood. The flood came to remove the descendants of other angels who fell after the fall of Helel/Satan and the third that fell with them.

        I do not like to go tit-for-tat while discussing disagreements here at my site because those discussions are endless. I ask a question or point out something written that can’t be explained away and I leave it there, like I did by pointing out Judges 4:11. You haven’t tried to explain that away, yet I pointed it out with the correct translation.

        One last thing, I do read. I read a lot. I’ve studied the Bible for nearly eighteen years with a Strong’s Concordance. I have read the book of Enoch also, which goes into laborious detail of what angels had relations with women which caused God to bring about the flood, and Satan’s seed was not even hinted as being part of the reason for the flood. It was the descendants of other angels that God was trying to get rid of.

      • steve says:

        Jesse…This will be the last comments I make……I never made any statement on Numbers 24:22 because I have no disagreement with you on that….The Kenites are the descendants of Cain…Cain was from the sexual union between Satan and Eve in the Garden of Eden, when Eve was wholly seduced by Satan. and as far as Noah’s flood is concerned…Genesis 6:19 And of every living thing OF ALL FLESH, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female….

        FLESH: OT:1320
        basar (baw-sawr’); from OT:1319; flesh (from its freshness); by extension, BODY, PERSON; also (by euphem.) the PUDENDA of a man:
        KJV – body, [fat, lean] flesh [-ed], kin, [man-] kind, nakednessself, skin.

        Two Kenites…male and female.. were taken aboard the ark along with the sixth day creation of Genesis one that formed the races…The ethnos….nations of the world…i.e. Gentile nations…another study for another time.

        And like I said…These Nethilims had to be destroyed, with a clean start for the blood line that already existed, to survive. Why do I state this? Because God’s plan required it to assure the proper birth for the coming Messiah….I can prove this in God’s WORD but this is not the right format to do so.

        This an other study that I’m not going to get into but, I will say this… the Kenites were spared because they were the negative part of God’s plan…You see…everyone has freewill to choose if they will follow God or satan and that includes his satan’s children.

        And Lastly…I apologize if you thought that I meant that you don’t study…I can plainly see that you do…I only meant that, as a blanket statement, WE ALL need to search out God’s Word for understanding.

        God Bless….steve

      • Jesse Norman says:

        I am very well aware of the measures that God took in making sure Christ was born, but I believe it was equally a matter of the corruption of this age and protecting the line of David to the Christ. As I have written a couple of times here, God’s laws given to the Israelites and the harsh punishments for the breaking of such laws was to hold off Satan’s success in bringing sin and death onto our creation before its due time. Someone was going to eat from the tree of knowledge. It just wasn’t supposed to be Adam and Eve, and it wasn’t supposed to happen then. This is what Satan’s motivation was when he beguiled Eve-to bring sin and death onto this creation before its due time. This is why Moses kept saying about these laws in Deuteronomy before they were about to enter the promised land, “to put the evil away from you”. To do so long enough for the Christ to be born, then it would be time to forgive the sinner.

        I agree wholeheartedly about the Kenites being on the ark, for I have said this also. I also agree God is letting them do what they do, because the end of the age has an appointed time. I do not agree with your sixth day creation doctrine where I’m assuming Adam was made on the “eighth day”, as Pastor Murray teaches. It’s clear (to me anyways) where it says when Adam was created that God was going back to the sixth day and spoke of a specific man. I know it says “there was no man to till the ground”, but that’s because plants were created on the third day when there was no man at all. If there was no man, there would be no man to till the ground. No man created on the sixth day had the ability to till the ground? What would have prevented them?

  4. annie lain says:

    very interesting observations here! i have question for website??? 1 – what is ur opinion of mr. cain. any correlation to cain vs, abel? 2 – many blogs i’ve seen suggest his 999 plans is the 666. they say “if he respects god’s math of 10% tithe, his plan should be 10-10-10. you hear of TOP 10….. etc but never top 9. 9is 1 short of perfect 10. 3- blogs say many think cain is obama just pretend person on republican side but will keep obama policy in place if him elected. 4 – blogs say that he’s the person to keep the rich from paying their share. buffet said for those making $20 million and up in income, taxes should match that level. if $50 million then highe tax, then $1 billion…much higher than those at $20 million level etc. we know, god said “at the end, the rich r gonna throw their gold and silver into the street saying “saving us” but there will be none.

    • Jesse Norman II says:

      I think a lot of people drink too much fear juice, so they look into every little thing and point to it as a sign of the end. I know we are in the end times, but no his tax plan is not a sign of the end. Herman Cain has nothing to do with Cain and Abel. Cain’s descendants were similar to Jews, which is why Moses married one. Those are the people that Jesus said say are Jews, but are not. Herman Cain is about as authentic of a “politician” as I’ve seen. If you know his history, you would know that he’s not some plant. I won’t support any particular person running because I’ve known for a long time that there is no point. Our country and world will collapse very soon no matter who wins. Everyone’s looking into six-six-six in everything, but the Bible indicates that is merely the number of the Antichrist’s name. Six letters in his first name. Six letters also in his middle and last name. Those people you speak of also have confused what a tithe is. A tithe is what is paid to the church. Not to the government through taxes. A tithe and taxes have nothing to do with one another.

  5. Erich Lucien Needs Jr. says:

    I just love jewels like this thank you for sharing and confirming thru scripture. I cried I feel for every one. But GOD knows best. I wish we all could…LOVE EQUALLY.

  6. Pat Davis says:

    The Kenites are the sons of Cain- Eve and Satan had sex, Cain is Eves and Satans child

  7. Brian says:

    The Synagogue of Satan is well known! What if your half Anglo and half jew? Can you go either way? Nicodemus was a kenite who loved and beleived Jesus. Also why is God taking away gender for? The greatest pleasure he gave us eliminated. I know men who wanted to marry and have a family insted they got slaughtered on the battlefield 18-25 yr old! And he wont even make an exception for those who died for him on the battlefield? That does not sit with me! And i hope part of the bible is untrue! I love women my fiance Grandmother sister aunts there so awesome. When a male doesnt want women around i wonder if you know what i mean! Like your page jesse norman the second.

    • Jesse Norman II says:

      What does being half-Jew have anything to do with the synagogue of Satan? About how God is eliminating gender, you lost me. Can you explain what you mean about that? Thanks.

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  8. Wesley says:

    Jesse, you seem to be sincere and well meaning, but the serpent seed doctrine contradicts scripture. Your given proof scripture, 1 John 3:12, is indeed to be taken figuratively and it is you who are mistaken to think it’s literal. Please consider 1 John 3:9. It says God’s seed abides in all true Christians. Obviously God’s seed is placed in Christians in a holy method, not by physical intercourse as you teach concerning the method of how Satan’s seed was placed in Eve to produce Cain/Kenites. Obviously a figurative interpretation is in order. Also, your mention of the hebrew meaning of “beguiled” is correctly interpreted: ‘morally seduced’, not ‘physically seduced’ as you imply. The problem is Eve sinned when she did EAT of the forbidden fruit. Do you believe she did have sex with the fruit? Friend, the answer is, “No”. I hope you don’t think Satan was the fruit. By the way, how can a woman and a snake (serpent) … you know … have relations? Friend, can you tell me where the Holy Bible says Satan had intercourse with Eve?

    Actually, God’s Word clearly shows Adam is Cain’s father is in Gen 4:1. It teaches Adam knew Eve HIS WIFE and she bore Cain. (Quick side note: please notice there’s no mention of God being upset over Eve’s adultery with Satan. Why not?) As you can see (read) it doesn’t say anything about sex with Satan, or twins, or two different fathers. Adam is Cain’s father. And notice in the very next verse (KJV) it says, “And she AGAIN bare his brother …”. AGAIN (‘again’ meaning happened once more just like the first time) she had intimate relations with her husband and had Abel. Now your interpretation runs into a problem here friend, because if one is to believe Satan is Cain’s biological father (despite Gen 4:1 clearly teaching Adam is the father), then you also have to believe Satan is Abel’s father too because the verse says, “AGAIN”. Otherwise you contradict your position. But we both agree that Adam is Abel’s father. And what about 1 Cor 15:39 friend? This verse teaches man (mankind) has only one kind of flesh. You teach there are two kinds, one of which is fathered by an angelic being eventually producing the Kenites. I’m sure we can agree angels are not human beings. Your teaching contradicts 1 Cor 15:39.

    And your interpretation of currently living Kenites that are descendents from Eve is quite problematic. Aside from its dependence on the Serpent Seed doctrine (refuted above), you have a problem of explaining how they survived the world-wide flood (Gen 6:17, Gen 7:23, Luke 17:27) that killed everyone, except the eight souls safe (1 Pet 3:20, & 2 Pet 2:5) inside Noah’s Ark. That’s very important, please focus on only eight souls surviving God’s destruction. Jesse, there is no direct mention of Kenite people in the ark is there? Additionally, please draw your attenion to what God told Noah in Gen 9:2,3. Every living thing on the earth (which came from the ark, except fish) is given to Noah and his sons (meaning the eight of them: husbands and wives are considered one flesh Gen 2:24, Mark 10:8 Eph 5:31) for FOOD! Surely you don’t believe God would allow Noah to kill and eat Kenites. I look forward to your reply.

    • Jesse Norman II says:

      You did make good points to support your argument. The problem is I didn’t just give one or two things that favor mine that you took to task. Firstly, as I’ve written before, Satan was told that his seed and the woman’s seed would have enmity towards one another. This clearly is not a figurative thing, so who are the seed of the serpent/Satan? God also told Satan what the enmity’s motivation would stem from. He shall bruise your head and you shall bruise his heel. Lo and behold Cain kills Abel because he was tormented by the good works of his brother. Coincidence? I also have written that while Satan was told about his seed that Eve was not told. She’s the one who said she received a child from the Lord. These were not God’s words. I fully believe that the act of having sex with Satan and eating from the tree of knowledge are two separate acts, therefore her having sex with Satan was not against the one rule God made to them. My implication wasn’t really an implication, just a possibility. Then there went the line of Cain. Secondly, Moses married a Kenite, not an Israelite. Moses’ wife was a Kenite (blood) that lived in Midian since that is where Moses wound up. Kenites were a nomadic group that had no real home land, but Moses was allowed to marry one. Thirdly, who are those who say they are Jews but are not? In the OT, Kenites are separated from the Jews identifiably while they lived together in Israel. 1st Chronicles 2:55 shows that Kenites were different than the Israelites. No other people in Israel were identified as anything other than of the tribes of Israel. You didn’t mention any of these in your comment. You do seem like getting to the truth of things written is important to you, but it is at the very least equally important to me. If it were just a couple of things, there is no way I’d make a jump like this and I certainly don’t base my doctrine on someone else’s.
      With the subsequent wisdom based on this conclusion, I realized the motivation of such people as Karl Marx and George Soros: deceitful people who were power-hungry liars that hate Jews. These are those who say they are Jews but are not. They are power-hungry. They are liars. They are convincing and manipulative, all just as Satan’s characteristics were listed as. Thanks for coming.

  9. greg beckelic says:

    do you think satan and the subtle beast in the garden who talked with eve and seduced her were the same or did satan have power over the beast?

  10. greg beckelic says:

    have you ever studied any of william branham the prophets messages?

  11. Dianebr says:

    When I asked God to reveal to me what really happened with Eve and Satan in the garden of Eden and to give me the spirit of discernment, that’s when the rose colored glasses fell off. This is not the forum for the discussion. There are other issues related that I would like to discuss with you since you understand.

  12. 1john 3v10, as you interpreted that those that are not righteous are cains decendants. If i am righteous and my brother is not, does it mean my brother is of cain?

  13. Orson says:

    good study only satan did not fall
    he was not lucifer he did not fall
    lucifer mesans morning star watch
    revelation 2-28 lucifer was adam
    he is the one who fell .satan was
    evil from the begining watch john
    8-44 so he could not have fall
    he was already

    • Jesse Norman II says:

      The original Hebrew word for Lucifer was Helel, which means “lightbearer, brightness”. Adam in the Hebrew means “ruddy complected”. Those are two separate entities. After Helel’s crime, God changed his name to Satan, which means “adversary” and in some references in the OT means “persecute”. He used to be the lightbearer, the morning star. Now he’s the adversary and has and will persecute our creation. Since the existence of Satan he was evil. Adam was not one of the stars of God.

  14. Miche says:

    hello Jesse I find my self reading a lot of your post. I was wandering about the RFID if I may have your input and if are you taking it? any comment will appreciate again or for?

    • Jesse Norman II says:

      It is yet another danger to privacy. It’s funny that right-wing governments are the ones accused of being too authoritarian, but it’s always marxist governments that invade privacy. Another example of marxists who accuse their enemies of the same things they intend to do themselves. By design, it is marxist governments that keep tabs on their people because they are Godless people who have a god complex. I won’t be getting one, but taking one isn’t necessarily the mark of the beast, although once that comes it may be of similar form.

  15. trish says:

    The jews that Christ talks about in rev 2:9 are the canaanite and edomites. The so called “jews”. These imposters stole the nickname from the people of the tribe of Judah. Jesus was from Judah, the kingly tribe. And God’s chosen people are the anglo saxon scandinavian german and kindred peoples that crossed the caucus mountains into europe and settled great britain and ireland and eventually America. The birthright was passed on to Joseph’s sons Ephraim and Manasseh which is Great Britain and America. Not the sand trap, Israel, in the middle east.

    • Jesse Norman II says:

      Trish, I just wrote a post that there is no way to it can explained away. It’s called “Does ‘Jews’ Mean All Israel?” You can’t argue against it. In Esther, Benjamites are specifically called Jews. Wake up before it’s too late.

  16. Resty says:

    If Satan is the father of Cain :
    1. What would stop Satan to fathered more sons since he can easily transform into a manlike being.?..
    2. Then Cain , suppose to be Satan’s seed , should have been bruised in the head by Abel , not other way around . .( Gen.3:15)
    3. Eve then on the birth of Cain in Genesis 4:1 ( being aware what had happened between her and serpent ) will declare that she had gotten a man from the Serpent or Satan instead of saying from God.
    4.Then all Cain’s descendants are evil and have sinned , and all Seth’s descendants were righteous and cannot sin . ( Romans 3:23 ) . All have sinned brothers ……

    • Jesse Norman II says:

      1. God still has power over Satan. He has forbidden him from doing so.
      2. Cain was bruised in the head. He was tormented by the good work of his brother. That is how Abel’s heel was bruised.
      3. The serpent was told. Eve was not, besides only God can create a soul..
      4. Adam and Eve brought sin onto our creation. This isn’t up for debate.

  17. gb says:

    to change the subject.Are we under the old testament or the new? I have a guestion about marriage. If a man spreads his skirt over a women , are they married, do they have to have a licenses.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      Well we would be under the New. In the old days, it wasn’t feasible to depend on a rabbi to always be there to marry a couple. In the eyes of God, if two make a covenant of marriage then they are married. One must keep in mind the “rendering unto Caesar” line in making sure the state recognizes the couple as married barring extreme circumstances in hostile countries. It is also important in this day and age that other people recognize the couple as being married also to avoid accusations of living sinfully. Getting married in a public way is the best way to go.

  18. gb says:

    Yes, this is what I believe also, I mostly believe what you teach, I have studied with Murray for years, There are things that I don’t understand yet. What are the elect suppose to do here, waiting for christ return. I try to teach others about things they should know, most the time it falls on deaf ears. I have one friend that sees things the same way I do. It is lonely. It seems like your life is on hold. Most people are worldly and don’t want to believe anything.I don’t go to a church now, Can’t find one that teaches anything
    of value . Is it wrong not to worship with others. I know there are others out there that have the truth.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      Nope, I am in that same boat. What you write about I know very well. Be patient and prepare yourself for things to happen very quickly. I wrote a post pretty recently called “The Sacrifice of God’s Elect”. Check it out. God bless.

  19. Big Phil says:

    I have been studing the bible since about 1990. I have to tell you thank for speaking the truth. Allthough a lot of people are blind to these truth’s in the written WORD of GOD. To others who may read this note, be challenged pick up the BIBLE and read GOD’S word. And when you read WORD my you be blessed with understanding.
    To all keep studing GOD’S WORD.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      You’re welcome and thank you. You’re correct. A person has to read God’s Word without the influence of men. My last post “The Quest For Wisdom” explains this clearly.

  20. Lomosi says:

    Preach on

  21. Aiden Evony says:

    absolutely fascinating material – both arguments are incredible and i suspect this has been at the heart of debate since it was written – i am half-jew and half anglo-christian – i have gone through a period of atheism, but consider myself a pan-theist and to some degree a deist – but really trying to wrap my mind around “the truth”. I recently discovered my wife had a “romance” which precipitated our pending divorce – trying to attain a spiritual understanding of it all, her, myself, and how someone like me who follows the “rules” ends up like this – I am questioning everything I ever knew – and to think I ended up here on this blog – wow. I do not know what I believe at this very moment in time – thank you for the research and I would like to see more

  22. James E King says:

    yes thank you.

  23. Dee says:

    Wow… !!! Amazing…. Jesse, I am a very spiritual person that found myself being drawn away from the Catholic Church several years ago. I believe very strongly in the Almighty Father and our Lord Jesus Christ and after reading your post here today, I have become even stronger about my belief in Cain being the son of Satin. A very dear friend of mine spoke to me on this exact subject a few months back and also discussed the Kenites – take over of the Jews and how the ones that profess to being a true Jew, scorn other Jews whom believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. These are the children of Cain. Those children, as you have stated are power-hungry, convincing, and manipulative. And it’s scary to think that so many people are blind sided to these wolves in sheep clothing.

    My dear friend also described the biblical beginnings of the development of different race in the bible, and I’m not quite sure whether I’m comfortable with this. Could you please give me an understanding of what you know on the creation of different races in the bible.

    I look forward to reading more of your post.

    Dee

    • Jesse Norman says:

      Well, the Bible isn’t very descriptive of the other races being created. The word “adam” does mean “ruddy complected”, and in Genesis 5:2 it says God called their name Adam, plural. The creation of other races, not so much divisions of the descendants isn’t very clearly written. We do come to the story of Nimrod in Genesis 10:8-10, Genesis 11:1-9. We see that his kingdom was called Babel in the tenth chapter while in the eleventh we see how it came about. People seem to think that this is where God made different races, but I don’t see it that way. I see there was a reason why God felt He had to divide the people and confound the language. It is well accepted to the Jews that Nimrod tried to make everyone the same, and I agree with them. That would fit the reason why God had to divide the people. If Nimrod tried to make everyone the same, perhaps to rule over them all, it would only be because there were already different races. If there was one race, why would he try to make them the same? Thanks for the compliment. May God bless your journey towards wisdom.

      • Bridgett says:

        I’ve really enjoyed reading your blog. I also agree that Satan is Cains father. However I believe that on the sixth earth day creation God created other races. Other people where here on Earth years before Adam and Eve.. Gen 1:26-27

      • Jesse Norman says:

        A lot of people see it that way, including Pastor Murray and his students, but looking at what’s written when Adam was created, it looks pretty clear (to me anyway) that the Bible was going back to the sixth day creation and spoke of a specific man God created. It says plants were created on the supposed eighth day (I speak from Murray’s point of view), which were already created on the third day. It seems pretty clear Adam was created on the sixth day, but wasn’t spoken of specifically until after the seven days of creation were finished being written. That’s just how I see it. Thanks for coming.

  24. John Brown says:

    One person I don’t think is credited with being a Kenite probably was, Maragret Sanger. Since Kenites like to pretend to be Jews, she was pale/light skinned with dark hair and dark eyes, her name means “blood”, and she certainly was bloody with wanting to kill the “empty” or “useless” eaters with abortion, she certainly lived up to the role of a Kenite.

  25. Dan Shively says:

    Thanks for this website Jesse. “Serpent seed” seems to strengthen other areas of the bible, i.e. Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 28, “Moses lifting up the brass serpent”. Can’t we say though that today the serpent’s genetics are distributed throughout all of mankind. Some races may have a higher concentration of those genetics than others, but generally we all need to overcome those genetics. So when John says that the brass serpent in the wilderness was representative of the Son of Man, how does this analogy make sense? I think it’s because Yeshua had to overcome his own serpentine genetics. Also, we have Him saying things like “If your eye offends you, pluck it out”. In otherwords, do what you have to in dealing with your own individual serpentine genetics.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      I do believe that many throughout the tribes of Israel have that genetic blood, as well as other nations and races. Being that Kenites were with Israel for most of this time, it would be a foregone conclusion that there was some mixing, not to condemn Israel. This line is not just a bloodline, but a spiritual line also, for God knows where to put souls into certain flesh. As for Jesus telling us if our eye/hand offends us… this has nothing to do with our bloodlines. This is simply our human tendency to sin. Before there were Kenites and even before Adam and Eve, our creation was destined to sin. The tree of knowledge of good and evil was eventually going to be eaten from at some point, and since Jesus is the foundation of this world, He was destined to live and die for sin before sin came about. Thanks for the compliment.

      • FamousJames says:

        Do this scripture refer to what you are saying. Read Romans 8:29,30 That YHWH foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the first born among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called and whom he called, them he also justified and whom he justified them he also glorified. Jesus said with man this is impossible, But with YHWH all things are Possible.

    • John Brown says:

      > I think it’s because Yeshua had to overcome his own serpentine genetics.

      I think that is probably not the best statement to make concerning Jesus.

      The whole point of Noah’s flood (perfect in his generations) and how Israel was not to intermarry, was to have the Levite priest line clean along with the Judah king line to prevent what you -think- happened. It did not happen. Mary had the pure bloodlines of Judah and Levite.

      We can not say who has what DNA of the serpent, only the angels can sort them out. Though we can certainly draw a good guess by their actions alone. If you have some insight, you can tell just by talking to them.

      Some countries have a much higher concentration then others, such as Kenya, that wanted to be named that after THEIR oral traditions. In spoken Hebrew Kenya means Cain (ken) our God (Yah). The Kenites (in Kenya they call them and Obama “afro-arabs”) invaded the Cushites (from Noah’s son Ham who married into the blacks) and then sold them into slavery to their in-laws, the white people that started the USA. Satan’s little joke.

      Jesus tells you who sowed the seed, why, and that the angels will be sorting them out.

      Matthew 13 (King James Version)

      30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

      —> 35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

      38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

      39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

      40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

  26. Dan Shively says:

    Thanks for engaging me. In the genetics of Yeshua, it’s Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, and Bethsheba that have always caused theologians to wonder about His lineage. That being said, I don’t think it impossible that Yahweh would be able to keep Yeshua’s line pure. So I’ll concede that one to you (John).

    Genetics are complex, and so why did Yahweh say that his seed was in Jacob and NOT Esau? Maybe it’s because even brothers don’t inherit an identical set of genes. I guess the reason that Yeshua’s genetics needed to be pure is that some sins are inherited from your ancestors (in the genes). So with Yeshua as the 2nd Adam, He needed to start out “fresh”, just like the original Adam.

    So how about this:

    1. We are all born with freewill and the ability to sin. Many of us are also born with a strong tendency for repeating the sins of our ancestors.

    2. Also, to the degree that we are unfortunate enough to inherit serpentine genetics, we are hellbent upon murder.

    Which raises a question. For a persons today born with some amount of “serpent seed”, or equivalently “a tare”, does this person have a soul and are they capable of being saved?

  27. Dan Shively says:

    Jesse, would you admit that Cain was created at an extreme disadvantage? I mean his dad was Satan after all. I would hope that he could still make the right decisions, but could he really?

    Another tidbit, could the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil” be abstracted a bit to be “the genetic tree of the fallen ones”? Because Gen. 3:23 has the Elohim saying “Behold the man and woman has now become like one of us, having knowledge of good and evil, and now lest they also take of the tree of life…”. I know this is still problematic, since how could the Elohim be the bad guys…? Makes one wonder if they should become a gnostic.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      Yes, Cain could have done good works, for it is written. When Cain became jealous of his brother’s good works, God told him if he did good, then God would be pleased. Satan was the father of Cain’s flesh, not his soul. The tree of knowledge of good and evil is a literal tree, such as the tree of life, as is revealed in the book of Enoch. You might have to look to find that book, but Paul referenced to it in one of his epistles (I believe Romans). It’s the same Enoch God took in Genesis 5.

  28. Dan Shively says:

    I guess various other “Serpent Seeders” hold that the biblical Hebrew is coded in euphemisms. To them, the trees mentioned is Genesis are men (which is bolstered by other places in the bible). That way the tree of knowledge is Satan, and the Tree of Life is Christ. And eating could sometimes mean “partaking of” or even “having sex with”. So I guess it’s not accurate to call you a Serpent Seeder in their sense. You believe in 2 literal trees. Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Knowledge, and THEN proceeded to have a sexual orgy involving Satan, resulting in her being co-pregnant with Cain and Abel.. That seems to work, and I don’t see any initial problems with it.

    So I’m curious, do you then believe that God was fuming mad at them both primarily for ?:

    a. only eating of the tree.
    b. also having sex with Satan (though this is never mentioned in the Genesis text according to your viewpoint).

    BTW, another good example of this kind of euphemism is mentioned in Proverbs 30:20 where it talks about the adulterous women as “she eats, and wipes her mouth, and says ‘I have done nothing wrong'”. Do you really think it was her mouth she was wiping?

    This level of impreciseness in the actual biblical Hebrew text could either be:

    a. the writers are too embarrassed to express some things literally.
    b. the writers are purposely adding the impreciseness to guard the uninitiated (i.e. babes) from this knowledge.

    I tend to be in the 2nd camp, so I believe the Hebrew is just as imprecise as it needs to be.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      Well I’m not really expressing my belief about two literal trees. I am merely saying one of the greatest prophets ever said clearly these trees were literal. Anyone that disagrees with this is ignorant of the book of Enoch. I don’t know if Eve had sex with Adam and Satan at the same time, because this isn’t written. It’s possible for women to have twins by two different fathers at two, albeit close periods of time.

      The adulterous woman wiping her mouth after eating and saying she did nothing wrong was simply meaning that she removed evidence and denied she ate anything. This wasn’t overtly sexual. The Bible doesn’t really shy away from sexual connotations, so this was just Agur speaking of adulterous women who deny they committed adultery.

  29. FamousJames says:

    I like your post. Continue to give people the truth. I have been studying the seed of Satan and did not realized that YHWH was only talking to Satan regarding the seed between him and the woman Gen 3:14,15. Keep in mind that your studying will run head first into people with 1-60yrs of traditional teaching. The reason why this is so? There are countless of so called Sleeping Preacher preaching to a sleeping people. People are going to church and are Spiritually dead. Thanks for the post.

    Repent… All need to ask Yeshua (Jesus) to be there Lord and SAVIOR.

    Famous James

    • John Brown says:

      > was only talking to Satan regarding the seed between him and the woman

      Jesus explained what Satan did with the sower and tares parable, trying to corrupt the blood line.

      The UK, USA, and Canada were mostly settled in the beginning by the 12 tribes of Israel with most of the settlers being of 3 tribes. The Queen of England is of the Judah (Jew) blood line and is the person to always be on the throne until Jesus returns, as God promised King David.

      God marked clearly marked Obama with a housefly (#12 – the government you have to obey) in the middle of the forehead, as being inhabited by the Lord of the Flies.

      The attack on the 2nd fig tree, proper, and Satan sitting in Jerusalem itself is not far behind. What will be amazing is how fast that happens. The red heifer crowd has been preparing for that probably 10 years now with “cloned” cows from Texas.

  30. pasquale says:

    Thanks for the info. If you could assist me in my knowledge of the word I would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and may God bless you

    • Jesse Norman says:

      Thanks for the blessing. I have throughout my site posts where I answer many questions people have as they learn the Word. If there are questions you have, just ask them in the page up above “Unanswered Questions…” and I’ll try to answer them or refer you to a post where I have already answered it. God bless you too.

  31. K.Stephen Moses says:

    Please take into your consideration, Bible should not be understood in likeness of your own.
    Now speaking about your commentary, according to genesis 3:15, ” And i will put enemity between you and woman, And between your seed and her seed ” Here, Woman seed means, the seed born of woman without the contact of man or any means. That is without a physical means. So, about whom the bible is speaking here ? If we consider the birth of Jesus Chirst, He was born from virgn mary through Holy Spirit. He is the woman seed who was born without a contact from external world physically. God says in Genesis about Jesus Christ. Enemity will be put between Jesus Christ and the followers of satan and anti christ. Why should we say seeds of satan means followers of satan ? Here is the proof for that. According to galatians 4: 6,7 ” And because you are sons, God has sent forth the spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” . Therefore, YOU ARE NO LONGER A SLAVE, BUT A SON; AND IF A SON, THEN AN HHEIR THROUGH GOD. ” Bible says who believe in Jesus as savious are made sons to God. In the contrary on who do not belive in the blood of Jesus are sons of satan. That is why for those who donot believe in blood of Jesus will have death. In Genesis when God said about enemity between woman seed and serpent seed I say with bible GOD HAS DESIGNED OUR SALVATION IN THE EDEN GARDEN BY THAT WORD. Also God said enemity between woman and satan. What does this mean ? Here the meaning is enemity between woman and sin. That enemity between mary and sin resulted in birth of Jesus Christ. That is Mary concieved Jesus Christ through Holy Spirit without performimg sin. This is the enemity that God spoke about in Genesis.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      In Revelation 12, Satan comes after the woman with a crown of twelve stars. This is Satan coming after Israel.

      • adriann says:

        EU has 12 stars on flag.

      • Jesse Norman says:

        The stars have nothing to do with the number of member nations, or even the original nations that make up the body. I believe there are currently twenty-eight member nations. The twelve stars are symbolic of different things, such as twelve months in a year, apostles, days of Christmas, and so forth.

      • Famous Bowen says:

        Christmas is not the birth of Jesus. However the birth of Jesus did happen, just not on Dec 25. If you study Luke 1:5 and do some research on the word Abia, it will give you the month that Jesus was born. Christmas is a PAGAN celebration that God informs us in the Book of Jeremiah 10:3-5 to not be as the heathen.

      • Jesse Norman says:

        Christmas is not a pagan celebration, although some pagan traditions are similar. Christians do decorate trees as the pagans did, but Christians don’t worship the tree. The giving of gifts were also done, but Christians do it to commemorate the three maji who brought gifts to Jesus.

      • adriann says:

        true, but there is this idea of some people that woman in the revelation is virgin Mary. The Roman Catholic Church wrapped old deities, they are introducing people to worship Ishtar, the great whore of Babylon as Mary.
        I read about Knight Templars of who they are those who come from David’s bloodline and those who want to unite the nations under one king as it was in prophecy. They started uniting, and saw the revelation about woman with stars as Europe.
        Of course it is the other one in fact.

  32. K.Stephen Moses says:

    Woman with 12 stars means the church. The church is adressed as woman or bride for the groom that is Jesus Christ. God is described in Pslams 104:2 ” Covering thyself with light as with a cloak, Streching out heaven like a tent curtain ” The Glory of God is described here in psalms. The woman described in revelation 12 is the church who got completed in Jesus who was ready for Jesus arrival. During that stage the church will be in glory. This was desriced about the woman in revelation. Till Jesus comes for the second time church will be forced to many obstacles, problems. So it is described in revelations 12:2 ” she was with a child; and she cried out, being in labour and in pain to give birth ” The church will be forced to many problems, anti christ will come from church. And in pain the church brings forth anti christ.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      The woman clothed with twelve stars is not the church. The church can’t flee into the wilderness, but Israel can. Jesus said when the abomination of desolation happens for those in Judea to flee into the mountains. The twelve stars are the twelve tribes of Israel.

  33. K.Stephen Moses says:

    Church is the body of Christ. And who believes in the blood of Jesus is the part of the body. That is church. Satan comes after the church. The church or body of Christ doesnt mean only israel.

  34. K.Stephen Moses says:

    Yes you are right about the woman in the revelation. I am sorry for that part. Yes, in genesis enemity between woman and serpent meant about the birth of jesus christ. Jesus Christ came from judea.. And Herod know the fact that Jesus will come from them, he killed all the male child.. Satan torcherd the people of judea to kill the child. This was foretold by God in eden and it was shown in symbolic form to John on patmos, Woman with 12 stars means 12 tribes of israel.. Son born to the woman is Jesus Christ, Woman cried with labour meant the people were torchered to kill Jesus by herod… This was shown to John. God showed this to John revealing the prophecy about enemity between woman and serpent. Praise the Lord for this truth. I am sorry for i posted wrong. After your post about woman is israel i prayed and read the scripture again. And God revealed me. Praise the lord.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      No need to apologize. If you read comments that I get, many will refuse to acknowledge they are wrong no matter how foolish it makes them look, even on matters much more conclusive than this one. I love that God revealed this to you, but I am heartened that you were humble enough to ask Him and be willing to receive and act on His revelation.

      As far as Satan trying to kill Jesus when He was a child, this is probably true. Satan tried to fix it where Jesus could not be born at all, which is why he beguiled Eve in the garden.

      Yes, praise the Lord indeed!

  35. K.Stephen Moses says:

    And i want say that satan father of cain is wrong when you consider it literally.. And according to bible 1 john 3:10 & 3:12 says about cain, children of satan it means, Cain has no salvation to come again to God because there was no repentance in cain. He didnt ask God for forgiveness. Instead he tried to cover up his mistake about killing abel. If you see about the Judas who lead Jesus Christ to Herod, Judas also didnt ask God for forgiveness instead he just commited suicide which resulted satan to gain over Judas soul. And if you consider peter, When he lied about not knowing Christ, he then imediately asked for forgiveness and God forgived him. And he again became the son of God. So considering the facts, cain didnt have forgiveness he was considered as the son of satan in a figurative way. But not in a literal way. Literally cain was son of adam. But his soul belongs to devil.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      I wrote a post called “The Definitive Work On Kenites, Cain, And The Seed Of Satan” you might want to check out. Since this post, I have found a couple of mistranslations that show Cain was indeed the flesh son of Satan.

      As far as what Peter did, I do not know if what he did was a sin. I do know that if he had not denied the Lord, he would have been condemned with Jesus. As it shows in the Gospel of John, Jesus wanted His disciples armed with swords, not to save Him, but so they can flee and save themselves. Jesus said to God that He did not lose one of His sheep, so that purpose was fulfilled. The disciples had to leave Him so they could survive and spread the Gospel as apostles. I think God put the greatest of fears into Peter so Peter could survive. Peter would unquestionably use that denial as motivation in the future, but there is at least the possibility he didn’t even sin there.

      • John Brown says:

        Since Jesus taught Psalms 22 while he was hanging from the cross and made each line come true, such as

        18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

        Then this had to come true too:

        11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.

        Jesus taught the good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep because he is not a hirling, not the other way around. Peter was part of his flock, the good shepherd protected the life of his sheep.

  36. I have read article you have posted and referenced me to read regarding cain as the son of satan literally. This means one can say eve made sin with satan and got cain and by adam she got abel. So they both are twins. I have prayed to reveal this and I spent today most of the time reading scripture asking God for help. I want to prove that satan did not father cain in a literal way. I will try my best to do it with His help. Please do not think that I am saying that you are wrong and please forgive me if I am posting against your message. And I will show you that peter has sinned about saying lie. But for now I will concentrate upon cain,eve, and satan. If you want me to stop I will stop posting.. So, now coming to the scripture, according to the word of God, in genesis 3:1 “ Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to woman, “Indeed, has the God said,’ You shall not eat from any any tree of the garden’?” 2. And the woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3.but from the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ’You shall not eat from it, or touch it, lest you will die’”4. And the serpent said to the woman, ”You surely shall not die! 5. “For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing Good and evil” Now if we think about this word in depth, we will get a basic question how did serpent deceived eve in eden ? And the most basic question is who is serpent ? According to revelation 12:9 “ And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old, who is called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to earth and his angels were thrown down with him” According to this word we can clearly see that serpent was nothing but described as satan. Serpent is used as a symbol to describe satan. Why did this description ? This is because, satan came into eden through the serpent. Serpent is also one of the God’s great handwork. But now we may get another basic doubt how did serpent enter into eden as eden is considered holy place ? Now according to bible, in the book of Job 1:6 “ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves befor the Lord, and satan came among them. 7. And the Lord said to Satan, “ From where do you come ?” Then satan answered the lord and said, “ From roaming about on the earth and walking aroud on it” Now if we think here doesn’t God know that satan is entering his presence ? He obviously knows. But God allowed satan to enter His presence. But why did He do that ? Continuing the chapter we can see that God allowed satan to take over Jb. According to Job 1:12 “So, the Lord said to satan, Behold , all that he has is in your power, only donot lay a hand on his person. Then satan went out from the presence of the Lord “ Now considering the facts, God allowed satan into His presence to discuss about testing job. So clearly we know that God allows satan to tempt us and He hopes us to resist it proving our relationship with God. Similarly, God allowed satan to enter into eden and test adam and eve. Satan chose the serpent to cause temptation. Why did satan chose serpent ? Considering Jesus Christ, He came to us in human form so that He can interact with us and die. This was clearly said in Hebrews 2:14 “ Since then the children share in flesh and blood, He himself likewise also partook of the same, that through the death He might render powerless him who had the power of deat, that is, the devil”. This clearly says God who was a most holy spirit has to become a man to die and give power over death to us through Him. We also know satan is not a human. Since he is an angel for God but lost his purpose. That is why he doesnot have death. Human body dies but soul doesnot. Soul perishes. According to bible there is “ Fear for the one who can perish both the soul and the body” That “ one “ is God. So as satan does not have a body, he cannot die. He is soul. A lost soul. So to interact with eve, has to choose a form. As God has only power to create, and satan doesnot have that, he has to choose from already that was created. And he chose serpent. Now, considering how did serpent talk to eve… According to bible, Numbers 22:30 “ The donkey said to ballam, “ Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden to this day ? Have I been in the habbit of doing this to you ?” , “No”, he said. Now looking at this scripture conversation was done between donkey and balaam. Donkey was occupied in Holy Spirit. Like wise serpent was possessed by satan. This is the reason that satan was able to communicate with eve. And now coming to How did he tempt eve.. See the Genesis 3:3 a word eve used to describe what God has said. She used “ LEST you die” instead God said “SURELY you die” Now thinking deeply, we can clearly see that eve was some what interested in the fruit. A little bit desire in eve on the fruit we can see here. Also there is in bible that one should not alter the words said by God. But eve clearly altered the word. And satan took that as a chance and said “ SURELY you shall not die” Then eve ate the fruit. We also know from bible that disobedience to law is a sin. And the result of sin is death. Eve disobeyed which resulted in sin. Now speaking of cain, cain was fathered by Adam. According to Genesis 4:1 “Now the man had relations with his wife eve and she conceived and gave birth to cain and she said “ I have gotten a manchild with the help of the Lord” Adam had relations with eve clearly adam mates with eve and eve had cain. This was clearly written. Also according Psalms 127:3 “ Behold children are a gift of the Lord; The fruit of the womb is the reward.” This clearly says in bible and this itself proves eve’s womb is the reward given by God. So cain the son of adam is the gift from God to adam and eve. Now considering adam.. Adam was given breath of life. What is breath of life ? Breath of life is Holy Spirit. Adam is a holy one. Also we can see in bible God directly spoke to adam. Adam is given holy spirit by God. But why did adam chose to ate the fruit ? He was not deceived by woman or satan. But the love for his wife, he chose his wife. He knew eve will be cast out from eden for the sin. So he ate the fruit and joined her in sin. Proof for this is a complete different topic.. It takes a lot so.. I will post it later.. Now concentrating on adam, adam has a choice, and eve has a choice. But they both sinned. Now coming to cain, as cain’s offering doesnot involves his whole heart, God saw selfishness in his offering. So cain offering is not accepted by God. Cain murdered abel in hate. Now one can say where did this selfishness, murderous nature come from to cain. So one may think he is the son of satan as he is the father of murderous natures, selfish etc etc.. cain inculcated his behavior. Now I am asking such people a question. Eve was created from adam by God.. But eve chose to disobey God. Also considering disobedience is a nature of satan, from where did eve imparted this ? Also adam chose to sin, from where did adam imparted this ? Now clearly we can say cain had a choice in giving his offering with his whole heart but, his heart belonged to worldly pleasures. So, he cannot and did not give the offering whole heartedly. Cain grew jealous and murderd his brother. According to bible, John 8:44 “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in th truth , because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and father of it “ Clearly this word says about liars not forgetting Jesus said these word about scribes and pharasees.. But this meant that scribes and pharasees are the descendants of cain who is the son of satan in literal way ? No. those who lie, lie against scripture, who sin, who commits adultery etc.. are considered as sons of devil for devil is the father of those deeds. So we can clearly say cain did not have his heart in God, where he could have, but chose not to. Cain heart belonged to worldly pleasures, he developed jelous towards his brother, murdered him…these in his heart these murderes nature, lying nature ( Lied to God when God asked about abel) made cain son of satan since satan is the father of those nature cain had. But cain is son of adam physically but became a son of satan. Satan like tempted eve,developed desire in eve for the fruit, similarly satan developed jelousy against his brother in cain, developed intrests towards the world in cain like eve… So I feel this will prove you that cain and abel are not twins, and satan did not father cain.. Sorry for my language is not good enough. I praise and thank the lord for explaining this to me. Praise the Lord. My email stephenkollam125@gmail.com anyone can contact me… PRAISE THE LORD

    • Jesse Norman says:

      You don’t have to worry about me not posting your comments as long as you are respectful, truthful, not hateful, and not just looking to argue.

      The example of Balaam and the donkey is a good one, but as I wrote in the other post, Jesus called the scribes serpents and the offspring of vipers. As is written in 1st Chr. 2:55, Kenites were appointed to be scribes and Kenites are conclusively from Cain. Also in that post, according to the original Hebrew, it says Eve had Cain and continued in giving birth to Abel. She couldn’t continue giving birth unless she was having twins. Cain was motivated to kill his brother the same exact way that God predicted to the serpent. Also, who are the seed of the serpent? Descendants of Eve having enmity with the descendants of a snake doesn’t make sense. Lastly, to fully clarify what Cain’s problem was with his offering is that he didn’t offer his first fruits. Now this isn’t clearly written, but it is clearly written that Abel offered the firstlings of his flock, which was pleasing to God, so one must assume Cain’s offering that did not please God were not the first fruits.

      Are you sure you want to post your email? You might wind up getting a lot of spam.

      • John Brown says:

        > so one must assume Cain’s offering that did not please God were not the first fruits.

        I would assume it was not the best he could offer. He offered what he did not want, not the best that he had. Which is why Jesus considered the poor woman’s two bits greater then the riches offered by others from their surplus.

        imho, Sin was at Cain’s door when he said in one hand, this is the best, I will keep it for myself, then in the other hand, this is what I do not really want as much as the other, that I will give to God instead.

        > Jesus called the scribes serpents and the offspring of vipers.

        It has not been lost on me that the scribe of Congress, the stenographer, delivered a message from God on the House Floor, and finished by saying God will not be mocked, three times, then finished by praising God and Jesus. Something that none of the so called Republicans running Congress and running for President would do, after years of warning and 100s of mailed letters, who knows how many e-mails, and phone calls. None of them would repeat six simple words “I love God. I love Jesus”. That took the “scribe” of Congress.

      • Brother, I consider if you I try to give you a clarity in God’s word about Genesis 3:15 you will accept the truth “And I will put enemity between you and woman, and between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, and you shall bruise him on the heel”, Not that you do not have clarity upon it, please don’t consider I am trying argue.. but let me tell you what I have learnt from my experience in learning from God. The secrets hidden in bible that we do not understand by our knowledge, always deals with a spiritual inner meanings and spiritual secrets which are plans of God. We may go little bit of wrong anywhere if we understand the bible plainly. According to Psalms 119:18 “Open my eyes, that I may behold Wonderful things from thy law” So, inorder to understand His word, God needs to open our eyes. Okay coming to the point, about “He shall bruise you on the head, and you shall bruise him on the heel” Who is he “He” that was used first ? Now according to bible Psalms 74:14 “ Thou didst crush the heads of Leviathan; Thou didst give him as food for the creatures of the wilderness” Now, see, “Thou didst crush the heads of Leviathan “ What is Leviathan ? According to Isiah 27:1 “In that day the Lord will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent. With His fierce and great and mighty sword, Even Leviathan the twisted serpent; And will kill the dragon who lives in the sea” so, from this scripture we can clearly see and understand Leviathan is nothing but satan. Leviathan is the creature that is awarded to describe satan. Also according to Romans 16:20 “ And God of peace will soon crush satan under your feet. The grace of Lord Jesus be with you “ Clearly from these 3 scriptures of bible we can understand the God spoke in eden about Jesus Christ. He said in eden that God through Jesus Christ shall crush the head of satan. This is obviously proven that God did not spoke about abel crushing head of cain or can be understood like jealousy grew in cain’s head.. So bible proves that God spoke about Jesus when He predicted “He shall bruise you on the head” Now continuing, “And you shall bruise him on the heel” who shall bruise on who’s heel ? Let us consider the odds when the heel was bruised by serpent. That bruise may or may not cause the death. Now consider the death of Jesus Christ on cross. How did he die ? Because our sins are kept on Jesus. That resulted in God seeing Jesus as sinner on the cross. This is said in bible mark 15:34 “ And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice,”Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachthani ? “ which is translated , “My God My God, why hast Thou forsaken me ?”” From this word we can see God has left the hand of Jesus. This is because as our sins were taken upon Jesus, He became sinner in God’s presence. Now considering, satan, who will show we are sinners ? satan shows that we are sinners. Satan tries to show to God that we are sinners. And that day satan showed God that Jesus is a sinner as our sins were on Him. So God left His hand on cross. Then the result of sin is death. And hence Jesus died on cross by our sins. Now consider bruise on heel. Consider Jesus on cross. Did not Jesus was nailed to cross with a nail in the heel ? Now, due to satan ( we sin because of obeying to satan and such sins were nailed on cross by Jesus. Without satan there is obviously no need for salvation) so, due to satan, Jesus died on cross. But God rose Jesus the third day.. and hence from the death of Jesus caused by satan, Satan only succeeded in leaving a bruise on Jesus heel which was made due to nail on cross and nothing more. Hence through bible it is proved that bruise on heel is about bruise of nail on cross of Jesus. Now summary is, God predicted that from Israel Jesus will born, to prevent this, enemity will be exist between satan and Israel. Considering Woman seed means descendant of Israel that is Jesus, Serpent seed means Anti Christ, God said enemity will be kept between Christ and Anti Christ. Also He predicted that Satan shall bring death to Jesus Christ on cross (SATAN-WE SIN-OUR SIN ONJESUS-RESULTED IN DEATH OF JESUS) which will be nothing but just remain a bruise on His heel. Also God said that Jesus Christ will crush the head of the serpent or satan (which he did on the cross and which He will do it again by literally destroying satan in His second coming) This proves God spoke about Satan and Jesus Christ compeletly with satan in eden. And this is not about cain and abel

      • Jesse Norman says:

        Who or what was the seed of the serpent? These things you bring up I have already gone through them in my own mind. I keep asking myself questions until I come to a complete conclusion that takes down all questions. With what you have come up with, it leaves too many unanswered questions. Who are the seed of the serpent? How did Eve continue to give birth if Cain and Abel were not twins? Why did Jesus call the scribes “serpents” and the “offspring of vipers”? Why did he accuse them of killing Abel? Cain was tormented (he shall bruise your head) by the good works of his brother (it shall bruise your heel). The heel and the hand were metaphors for action, work. Now if my interpretation of this is wrong, that is some coincidence that Cain killed Abel the same way as I have interpreted. This prophecy started with Cain and Abel, but will culminate at the end of the age.

        I look at what I have put forth at my site about people like George Soros and Karl Marx who bruise the heels of others, and display the same traits Satan would have, including the enmity toward the woman Israel. I am about as 100% sure about these things as I can be because everything is in sync with one another and this takes all the questions down. Thanks for the discussion. God bless.

      • First of all I want to say what I have posted is not my theory for I was not the one who did everything. It was God. So I am saying you brother in Christ that it was not and never will be my conclusion for my conclusion is never good enough to explain God’s marvelous piece of works. I was just posting what God is saying about everything. With this post God speaks to you what was hidden for us and can never understood by us in bible. Answering your questions. 1. Who are the seeds of serpent? The Old Testament: According to Genesis 3:17 “Cursed is the ground because of you” God cursed Adam. We may think with our knowledge like this. But God says, Adam’s generation through Cain is cursed. Proof for this. According to Genesis 4:10, 11, 12 “Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” And he said, “I do not know. Am I my brother’s keeper?” And He said, “What have done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to Me from the ground. And now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. When you cultivate the ground, it shall no longer yield its strength to you; you shall be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth.” But from this with our understanding we may think that the ground will not bear good fruit for Cain. But God says the ground means the generation of Cain. The generation from Cain will not be spared from the wrath of God. That is their generation which will occupy the earth shall receive bad fruit from the God. Why? In that word we can clearly see “to receive brother’s blood from your hand” this means the blood which was spilled on the ground is speaking to God. The innocent blood of Abel on the ground speaks to God. If you get a doubt how? Then think about the 12th plague that God has sent over the Egypt. The blood of the Lamb speaks to God saying that the one who have that mark is obedient to Him and he should be spared. If this is not good enough then think about New Testament Jesus blood on us prays for us at God to forgive us. Hence the blood speaks to God. Abel’s innocent blood spoke to God, because the blood spilled, God cursed the generation of Cain that they shall no longer will bear the good fruit from God on earth. After Cain, his descendants, Lamech also spills the blood of a man and a boy. The same curse on Cain relates to Lamech. Also god cursed Cain that He shall be vagrant and wanderer on earth. This means God says Cain generation shall be scattered on the earth. So, now speaking about Adam’s descendants, Lamech who is the son of Methuselah (Who walked with God) becomes the father of Noah. When he is born, Lamech says, in genesis 5:29 “Now he called his name Noah, saying, “This one shall give us rest from our work and from the toil of our hands arising from the ground which the Lord has cursed.”” This means the ground is not at peace that is the earth is filled with the descendants of Cain or filled with those who bears the same curse. And he says through Noah, God shall bring peace to earth and through Noah the generation shall be fruitful from God. After that God brings flood on earth. Bible says the earth was flooded by water which came from the depths of the earth and from the sky. Like god said earth shall not bear good fruit to such generation, God through Earth released water from its depths and God released water from the sky. Also it is written Genesis 7:13 “On the very same day Noah and Shem and Ham and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife and three wives of his sons with them, entered the ark” This means that there are no other humans that entered the ark except the Noah’s family. After the flood it is written Genesis 8:16, 17, 18, 19 ““Go out of the ark, you and your sons and your sons wives with you. Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with you, birds and animals and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, that they may breed abundantly on the earth and be fruitful and multiply on the earth,” So Noah went out, and his sons and his wife and his sons wives with him. Every beast, every creeping thing, and every bird, everything that moves on the earth, went out by their families from the ark.” Now from this word, God through bible speaks that there are no humans except those 8 members which is Noah’s family. There is no chance for other human or animal which did not board the ark to survive the flood. Because in the Book of Psalms, King David says, No human can survive the wrath of God. This word clearly says once if God shows His wrath, it is not in human capacity to escape His anger, because we are human and He is the most Holy One and He is The Lord our God our Creator. If He intends to destroy His creation, who can stop it? Or who can escape it? Now after the Noah are there no people who are against God? Yes, there are. But how did they come again? Looking into Noah generation, Ham’s generation is cursed by Noah. Why did he curse him? Now looking into Word of God, Genesis 9:22, 23 “And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid upon both their shoulders and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were turned away so that they did not see their father’s nakedness.” And continuing the word the bible says that Noah has cursed the Canaan the son of Ham. Now see, like Cain son of Adam was cursed by prediction of God through Adam’s sin, Canaan son of Ham is cursed by Noah through Ham’s sin. But what did Ham do here? Why God did justified the curse upon Ham’s generation? How did God look at the Ham’s sin? See thinking deeply, Ham should have covered his father with the cloth immediately but instead he did not take that as responsibility for it was his father’s honor and made fun by saying that to his brothers. About this God speaks through bible in Deuteronomy 27:16 “Cursed is he who dishonors his father or mother” Who is ‘he’ here? He is Ham. Not only this in the 20th verse, we can see “Cursed is he who lies with his father’s wife, because he has uncovered his father’s skirt.” This word we can also say one who sees his father’s nakedness it’s just like sleeping with his wife. So according God, Ham did a very big mistake and hence God justifies the punishment that Noah has cursed. And now continuing Ham’s generation, Nimrod, the son of Cush, son of Ham, builds a giant building in order to show their names to God such that their names shall not be removed from his sight and hence they shall not be scattered on the earth. This is clearly in the bible at Genesis 11:4 “Come, let us build ourselves the city, and a tower whose top will reach into heaven, and let us make for ourselves a name; lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the earth.” See, scatter over the face of the earth… this same curse God put upon Cain such that he shall be a vagrant and scatter over the face of the earth. Through Noah, this curse crept to his son, Ham’s generation. Through Ham’s generation Canaanites, Jebusites etc… are formed. Read Genesis Chapter 10 about the Ham’s generation. The lands occupied by them are the lands that God promised to Abraham that his generation shall occupy them. This clearly is shown in Genesis 15:18-21 “On that day the Lord made covenant with Abraham, saying, “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates; the Kenite and the Kenizzite and the Kadmonite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Rephaim and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Girgashite and the Jebusite.” These are all the lands which were formed and occupied by cursed Ham’s descendants. And as the God promised Noah that he shall no longer destroy the living with water, God didn’t destroy them with water but God destroyed them through His chosen people, Israel. About this, Bible says in Exodus 3:17 “And I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt to the land of Canaanite and the Hittite and the Amorite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, to a land flowing with milk and honey” Now briefing the seeds of serpent, the desire, the temptation, the desire leading to disobedience are the seeds of serpent that are planted in eve. This resulted in eve’s temptation and disobedience to God’s word and ate the fruit. Jealousy, murderous nature, lie are the seeds of serpent which lead Cain to kill Abel. According to Matthew 13:37, 38 “And He answered and said, “The one sows the good seed is The Son of Man, and the field is the world; and as for the good seed these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one.”” Here the seeds sown by Satan in eve’s mind led to disobedience and resulted in banishment and punishment. The seeds sown by Satan in Cain the resulted in murder of Abel and Cain in God’s presence became liar. Due to this God cursed Cain generation. And hence they are the seeds of serpent. As God cursed the Cain’s generation, the generation of Cain is called the seeds of serpent as the whole generation is cursed and wiped off by the flood. After that the curse continued on Ham’s generation and hence that generation is again called the seeds of serpent and God promised Abraham that they shall be killed and Israel will occupy them. Also see Ezekiel 22:7 “They have treated father and mother lightly within you” who are they here? They are the Ham’s generation. And hence the are again scattered like the Cain’s generation on earth and hence like God swept the Cain’s generation from earth through flood, God promised Abraham that the lands will be given to his generation and says through Moses in Deuteronomy 1:30 “The Lord your God who goes before you will Himself fight on your behalf, just as He did for you in Egypt before your eyes” and if you see through Joshua the conquering of the promised lands starts, that is the destruction of serpent seeds that is the destruction of those who bore the cure of Cain, that is the generation of Ham. Joshua 11:2123“Then Joshua came at that time and cut off the Anakim, from the hill country, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab and from all the hill country of Judah and from all the hill country of Israel. Joshua utterly destroyed them with their cities. There was no Anakim left in the land of the sons of Israel; only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod some remained. So Joshua took the whole land according to all that the Lord had spoken to Moses, and Joshua gave it for an inheritance according to their divisions by their tribes. THUS THE LAND HAD REST FROM WAR” See this word clearly says about the earth had rest like it was said in genesis through Noah the earth shall rest. Like this God destroyed the generations of Cain who are called the seeds of serpent and again through God’s promise to Abraham He again destroyed the generations of Ham who bore the same curse of Cain and are called the seeds of serpent and gave to Israel like He gave to family of Noah. The New Testament: I will post about the seeds of serpent in next post. 2. Why Jesus did called the scribes seeds of serpents and offspring’s of viper? 3. Why did He accuse them of killing Abel? I will post all the answers to your questions and I will prove you brother that bible which is God’s word cannot be understood and justified with our knowledge and with our conclusions. You want truth then this is the truth. Praise the Lord my God for these answers to me. Praise the Lord.

      • Jesse Norman says:

        There is a lot here to respond to, so forgive me if I leave some things out. One, you said that the seed of the serpent was Cain, unless I am misreading what you wrote. This is what I have said. I also said that Cain and Abel were twins, which is corroborated by the original Hebrew.

        I don’t know if you were separating the two Lamechs, or not. I was not clear on this. The Lamech from the line of Cain was different from the one in the line of Adam, just like there were two different Enochs. The line of Cain is separated from the line of Adam both in Gen. 4 & 5, and in 1st Chronicles. The reason is because Adam was not the father of Cain.

        It doesn’t say Methuselah walked with God. That was Enoch that walked with God. I am sure Methuselah was a righteous man, but he was not the one who walked with God. The explanation of how Enoch walked with God is given in the book of Enoch.

        The line of Cain never ended. As I pointed out clearly in “The Definitive Work…”, Kenites are from the line of Cain, so they had to survive the flood somehow. The giants also survived the flood, because the Israelites had to face the Anakim and the Rephaim as they took over the land of Canaan.

        God did bring peace onto the earth in Noah’s day, but it wasn’t because of Cain’s curse. God brought on the flood to kill off most of the giants that were descendants of angels, like Semjaza and Azazel, who took human women for wives. The descendants of these angels, who fell after Satan and his angels fell, started killing regular humans because resources became limited. All lived in closer proximity to one another (this was well before God divided the people and confounded the languages), and the giants used up more resources than normal people. The giants were smarter and more powerful than regular men, so they started killing them. This is very lightly touched upon in Genesis 6, but is explained in great detail in the aforementioned book of Enoch, which is an authentic book of God. In Noah’s day and having him build the ark, God saved mankind and the line of descendants where Christ would come from, and through Him, we can all enter His rest.

        As far as not being able to understand what is written the way He means it is not true for everybody. Not all have that slumber.

      • John Brown says:

        > book of Enoch

        What version/source do you recommend for reading ?

      • Jesse Norman says:

        I downloaded two versions, and they don’t seem any different other than the phrasing. The Ethiopic is probably the most authentic version since it was never really removed from its Bibles.

  37. Bible clearly says that God watches the heart.. God watched abel’s heart while abel gave his offering.. Abel gave first fruit… Why first fruit is considered important ? What showed abel’s heart in giving first fruit ? If we consider the importance of first fruit here.. according to 1 Corinthians 15:20-28
    “But now Christ has been raised
    from the dead, the first fruits of
    those who are asleep. For since
    by a man came death, by a man
    also came the resurrection of
    the dead. For as in Adam all die,
    so also in Christ all will be made
    alive.” See this word says what is the importance of first fruit… Jesus is risen as first fruit in that first fruit we will rise…. This is promise given by God. We give our first fruit so that we shall be a part in God promise. To hail this promise we shall give our first fruit. God has risen Jesus as first fruit… did you get the importance… this shows God’s love and His complete devotion in saving us such that He Himself rose Jesus as a first fruit from death…. This show how much God loves and how much He pays His attention towards us. This shows His loving heart. Abel gave first fruit.. this shows his love to God.. this shows his importance and dedication towards God … On the other hand cain didnt give first fruit but gave those he do not need… if we think deeply, why did cain do that ? cain loved them, so cain didnt give them to God. Cain’s heart lies in his plantations and his property.. so he cannot show his devotion and love to God… This is cains heart. And hence as God sees heart he didnt accept cain offering. Not just cain didnt give first fruit God rejected him, but God considered his heart… and i will post about God prediction on satan seed and woman seed.. genesis 3:15″So the LORD God said to
    the serpet: Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.” I am praying today to learn about bruise head, bruise heel, whose head and who heel God is speaking about. And seed of woman means not cain and woman means not eve. God was speaking about Israel and Jesus Christ this was clearly revealed in revelation 12. I have posted about this before. Israel is shown to john in revelation 12 as woman with sun and moon under feet. with 12 stars meaning 12 tribes of israel. Jesus came from Jude tribe. which is a part of israel. Enemity between Israel and Jesus meant, Satan through herod tried to kill when Christ was born. During that period great enemity between herod and people of jude is rosen. People first born were killed by herod. God prediction about woman and satan enemity is proven here. Now woman seed, that is israel seed that is decendant of israel that is Jesus Christ… is Woman seed. Now satan seed is anti christ… again going to revelation, satan will choose a child which is satan child or anti christ. Satan seed means anti christ. Enemity is between Jesus Christ and Anti Christ. And next is i m praying to know ” he shall bruise head… heel” this part i am praying to know… I will prove this… God shall help me.. And i shall prove this is not prediction about cain and abel. Praise the Lord

  38. What is seed in us that made us to trust we are the sons of God ? That seed is faith. The faith in blood of jesus. That seed in us made us His son. Who tries to destroy this faith? Satan. The seeds of satan are disobidience, lies, murderous nature, adultery, etc.., In bible it is written a person with these charecters in him shall not enter my kingdom. Through faith we shall be the sons to His kingdom. If we have the seeds of satan to be precise seeds means qualities. If we have the qualities of satan we cannot enter into the kingdom. That means we can no longer be His sons. This is called sons of serpents. Cain is the seed of serpent i said and through God’s word in bible i said as serpents qualities are in him he was called seed of serpent. And through God’s word in bible i said God destroyed people using flood because of Cain’s curse. And through God’s word in bible i showed you how did seed of serpent continued. And God Himself says in bible we cannot survive His wrath. Then who are we to say some how people should have survived the flood ? who are we and how can we say that they have some how escaped the floodd after God Himself says only 8 are present on earth ?

    • Jesse Norman says:

      That seed God spoke of in to the serpent was not metaphorical though. You seem to have a good grasp of the Word, but it also seems like you are overthinking what is written by giving things an allegorical or metaphorical meaning when there is none. I have been where you are in these thoughts, but I wasn’t satisfied with the end result because it left too many questions. If you go down a road where so many things in the Bible are metaphorical or allegorical, you will wind up lost because then nothing is as is written. There are metaphors in the Bible, but the Bible is more literal than most give it credit for. It’s because people over the years didn’t have an explanation for a certain thing written did they started attributing the Bible to such a volume of metaphorical meanings. That road leads to Nowheresville, and it’s not easy coming back.

  39. Yes lamech’s are different. One who was born to adam and one who is born to cain One lamech from adam walked with God (I meant this lamech walked with God) And another lamech was decendant of cain who bore the same curse of cain which is written in bible.

  40. Coming to gaints etc.. you are saying about once let us look into Duteranomy28:49 to 68 this is about to the curse in detail. This curse that was in 56th verse resulted in Gaints that is extrordinary growth due to eating of human flesh. This same curse is in the line of cain thats why there are abnormalities in them. the same curse continued in the line of Ham that why there are gaints at canaan. I have showed with bible. Bible is speaking very mysteriously about each and every line. Where did God say angels had sex with men and resulted in gaint in bible ?

    • Jesse Norman says:

      Genesis 6:2, 4, as well in greater detail in Enoch. As I said, Enoch was a true book of God. Jude made reference to his book in verse 14, and Jude 6-7 spoke of this fall also.

  41. Pleass forgive me in hurry i have said lamech what i ment was enoch. I m sorry for that… Enoch descendant of adam.. i m sorry once again..

  42. I will say about serpent of seeds in new testament then you will see about whom God spoke about saying seeds of serpent. You will see the spiritual meaning amswers to all the questions. praise the lord

  43. Who are the seeds of serpent? (This will also answer your next question “Why did Jesus called scribes, serpents and offspring’s of viper?”) Through God’s mercy, I have answered your question about the seeds of serpent regarding Old Testament. Now speaking about the seeds of serpent regarding New Testament. According to the Book of Matthew 12:39 “But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; yet no sign shall be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet” here Jesus Christ calls the scribes and Pharisees “AN EVIL AND ADULTROUS GENERATION” in Luke 11:29 Jesus says “THIS GENERATION IS A WICKED GENERATION” about scribes and Pharisees. Also Jesus says about them in Luke 11:39 “But the Lord said to him “Now you Pharisees clean out the outside of the cup and of the platter; but inside of you, you are full of robberies and wickedness” Now Jesus says in Matthew 15:7, “You hypocrites rightly did Isiah prophesy of you” Now looking at the prophesy the Isiah has made about the Pharisees, scribes, going to the book of Isiah 29:13 “Then the Lord said, “Because this people draw near with their words And honor Me with their lip service, but they remove their hearts far from Me, And their reverence for Me consists of tradition learned by rote” according to the prophesy of Isiah, he prophesized about those type of people that praise the Lord with their lips but not with their hearts. He says such people mouths shall speak of God greatly, they may make the others walk with God and punish the others if they do not… they shall sit in front of Me and like My people but their hearts are very far for me. Now these are the prophesies made by Isiah about the Pharisees and scribes. And now coming to the Book of Ezekiel 33:31 “AND THEY COME TO YOU AS PEOPLE COME AND THEY SIT BEFORE YOU AS MY PEOPLE, BUT THEY DO THE LUSTFULL DESIRES EXPRESSED BY THEIR MOUTH, AND THEIR HEART GOES AFTER THEIR GAIN” according to this word who is speaking here ? About whom He is speaking? The answer is God is predicting and speaking about the people that comes and listens to the speech and sayings of Jesus, those who praises God through Jesus with their mouths, those who listens to Jesus and follow the desires of their own mind and gains. So according to this word God is speaking about a generation of people that only comes to God without their hearts. And according to Isiah prophesy we may think that the prophesy relates only to Pharisees and scribes. But God through Ezekiel says about a generation of people that comes under that category. Now coming to this generation(including Pharisees and scribes), speaking about this prophesy that Isiah predicted and this prophesy about which Jesus is speaking, Lets go to the Book of Psalms 78:36 “But they deceived Him with their mouth, And lied to Him with their tongue” Now who and how did they lie to God with their mouth? How did they deceive God? Before going to answer that I would like us to think deeply about what is this word saying. Now speaking about Pharisees and scribes Jesus says about them in Luke 11:42 “But woe to you Pharisees! But you pay tithe mint and rue and every kind of garden herb, and yet disregard justice and the love of the God; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.” See here about this word, Pharisees are giving God the tenth part of their food like God commanded in the time of Moses and they are considering themselves as righteous but Jesus says “you disregard justice and the love of God.” See here the Pharisees are offering everything like God has asked they are not showing the same love in God towards the others. This is what Isiah is prophesizing about and this what Ezekiel is speaking about, not only this is about Pharisees but this is about everyone who does like that. Now continuing about Pharisees, Luke 11:43 “Woe to you Pharisees! For you love the front seats in the synagogues, and the respectful meetings in the market place” This words speaking a lot about Pharisees. What did Jesus says in Matthew 6:5 “And when you pray you are not to be as the hypocrites for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the street corners in order to be seen by me. Truly I say to you they have their reward in full.” With this word we can understand the character of those Pharisees that God is speaking about. The Pharisees tried to be righteous in front of people showing them that are following the Law of God and showing them that they the only righteous people. Are there no people like this other than Pharisees today and that day I ask you? About such people Isiah has predicted and God is saying through Ezekiel and Jesus is saying about. Now if we think, now if I say that I am following the Law of God to you and if I am practicing according to my own desires, whom am I deceiving? Is it me am I deceiving? Is it you am I deceiving? Is it God am I deceiving? Obviously I am cheating the God. I am deceiving Him through my action. This is the generation that was predicted about by Isiah. This is the generation that Pharisees belonged to. Now speaking about Psalms78:36 “But they deceived Him with their mouth, and lied to Him with their tongue” Who and how they are deceiving? To speak plainly the generation Isiah has predicted, how they are deceiving God? Now going to Exodus 24:7, 8 “Then he took the book of covenant and read it in the hearing of the people; and THEY SAID “ALL THAT THE LORD HAS SPOKEN WE WILL DO AND WE WILL BE OBEDIENT!” So Moses took the blood and sprinkled it on the people, and said “Behold, the blood of covenant, which the Lord has made with in accordance with all these words”” Here what was the covenant that Moses is speaking about? About what the people of Israel did said that they will be obedient to God? Once look at exodus23:20 to 33 these are not the 10 commandments but these are the commands given to Israel through Moses by God. One among them I am saying here. Exodus 23:25 “you shall serve the Lord your God” Now what is the covenant? Now when the people of Israel after listening to the God’s commands from Moses said that they would obey them. Then Moses sprinkling the blood on them made them bound to their promise. He sealed that promise. Also peace offerings is one among them. Now God speaks to Moses on the hill about Ten Commandments and after that, in exodus 32:7 “Then the Lord spoke to Moses, “Go down for once, for your people, whom you brought up from the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves.”” Now look at that. The people of Israel corrupted themselves. How did they corrupt themselves? Looking at exodus 32:8 “they quickly turned aside from the way which I commanded them. They have made themselves a molten calf, and have worshiped it, and have sacrificed to it, and said “This is your God O Israel, who bought you from the land of Egypt”” see the Lord clearly says that they have diverted from the promise that the people of Israel promised Him. That means the people of Israel just said that they would follow his commandments with their mouth but they did not have heart in them. These are the people that deceived God. These are the people that lied to God. Now through bible, through God, today I say, those people Jesus said about in Mathew about Pharisees, scribes, and the generation that God is speaking through Ezekiel, comes under the descendants of some people of Israel that have deceived God. Where did this deception come? The answer is obvious the deception is the result of the seed that was planted by Satan. According to Luke 10:16 “He who reject me, rejects the One who sent Me” That day those some people in Israel who carved a golden calf rejected God. And the generations which comes under such people of Israel are no other than those who rejects Jesus or whose heart is not in Jesus. To such category Pharisees and scribes belongs to. As this category, their heart did not belong to God and hence they are called the seeds of serpents. Getting into depth about seeds of serpent, still going into depth in the word of God, studying on why Jesus called the Pharisees and scribes an evil and adulterous generation… with our knowledge we may think these come from the descendants of Cain whose mother committed adultery with serpent. And hence Jesus calls them adulterous generation. This is the conclusion that we will arrive at with our knowledge. But in John chapter it is clearly written that Pharisees and scribes are the descendants of Abraham. They are the sons of Abraham. Read John 8. Jesus here is not speaking about adultery committed physically, but the adultery committed spiritually. According to John 8:38, 39 ““I speaks things which I have seen with my father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father” Then they answered, and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you are Abraham’s children, do the deeds of Abraham. But as it is, you are seeking to kill me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do.”” See in this word, “I speaks things which I have seen with my father” Jesus is saying about His heavenly father that is God. And the next line, “therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father” “You” here means, the Pharisees. Their father Jesus says is Satan. And continuing, Jesus said “Seeking to kill me” first keeping in mind about the prophecy of Isiah about Pharisees, and Ezekiel comment of God on the generation, Jesus says that Pharisees are trying to kill me. Now going back to genesis, from where did eve adapted sin? From where did Adam with Holy Spirit in him adapted sin? From where Cain get jealousy nature, murderous nature? Everything is the result of the seed that Satan has planted into their minds. Eve he planted temptation seed which resulted in disobedience which is a sin. In Cain’s mind jealous seed on his brother which resulted in murder. So murder is the nature that is of Satan’s. And thus Jesus says Pharisees are the seeds of serpent. This is clearly said in bible John 8:44 “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was the murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks he speaks from his own nature; for he is a liar, and father of lies” now briefing in detail, those people who says with their lips that they will obey and deceives him in their hearts, these are called liars, those people does their prayers so that people thinks great of them, they are the deceivers of God, those people who shows their righteousness to people but not to God are the deceivers to God. And father of lies is Satan for he is a liar. And hence as his qualities or seeds are within them, Jesus said that their father is serpent. And now speaking about the foolishness of Pharisees, when God spoke about their spiritual father concerning Satan, they are such a foolish ones that they misinterpreted Jesus words and thought Jesus is saying about biological fathers and descendants, and replied that their father is Abraham. That is the reason Jesus said “He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God” that is Jesus says about them they are not from God. That means He directly says they are from serpent. Do this mean physically or spiritually? Now 1 John 4:6 “We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us. BY THIS WE KNOW THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH AND SPIRIT OF ERROR.” From this word it is clear that those are not from God meant that their spirit is with Satan. That is they have Satan in their hearts. And to speak directly through Jesus blood we are the sons of God. Everyone are meant to have that faith. But that day and today one do no not have that faith. Those who do not have that faith are the sons of Satan that is they have sin in their hearts that is nothing but they are committing adultery with sin and hence became the sons of serpent that is their sprits belong to serpent. This is the reason Jesus called them the broods of vipers. But God did not say anywhere in bible that they are literally sons and daughters of Satan. Even today there are so many people that are becoming the sons of Satan by losing their faith in Jesus. In bible it is said, no one can steal our salvation. That is bible is saying no one can steal our salvation until we lose our faith. This faith is the seed or quality of Jesus or seed sowed by Jesus in our hearts. Satan tries to steal this seed. It tries to destroy our faith by forcing us to physical problems which results in suicides, murders, etc.., some among us will be porn to such problems though they are the people of faith, due to their problems impact and extent, some lose their faith and commits suicides, some kills due to jealousness, hate, for power, many reasons depending on their weakness. Losing faith is nothing but giving our spirits to Satan thus becoming the seeds of Satan. I think I have explained as good as I can with God’s help. My language isn’t proper, but when Holy Spirit in you speaks to you shall understand everything spiritually and the secrets in bible shall be revealed. And remember always if we say that bible is simple and it can be explained easily, then we are the one that are blind. For God’s knowledge extends beyond horizon and no one is good enough to reach His knowledge. Why did He accuse them of killing Abel? In the next post I will explain about this Praise the lord

    • Jesse Norman says:

      I addressed this assertion responding to your other comment, writing about allegory and metaphors. Have you studied the Bible in its original languages?

      • bible is written in many languages and even in original language, or any other language or what ever language the bible is God’s word is same and it doesnot change by a language. What ever the language is Holy Spirit speaks the same. And we should not understand bible based on its language but we should understand bible through Holy Spirit. We are only and merely humans. With our brains if we cannot understand brother… we are all same… through you holy spirit spoke to me about the woman in revelation.. If we give up our understand and let holy spirit speak to us we will get the right answers.

      • Jesse Norman says:

        I take it that you haven’t then. How can mistranslated words be the same with the Holy Spirit? The reason I asked is because you have ignored a couple of mistranslations that I brought up, and some verses you brought up had mistranslations that do not corroborate your doctrine. I see that you study God’s Word, and that is great, but if you really want to truly study His Word, then you have to study the Bible in its original languages of Hebrew and Greek. There are too many mistranslations in the KJV. I would get a Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance to use with a KJV. It traces every single word in the Bible back to its original languages, and it will open your eyes. The Holy Spirit will help you, but you need to have your eyes opened to see the possibilities of what certain things mean. Trust me, you will be glad you did.

  44. You say that i am taking bible metaphorically. And tell me where Holy spirit lead me wrong road where i donot get conclusion ? God has answered your questions concluding them… You ask me any question about anything God has spoken to u through me. And i shall surely give u answers for it was not my understanding but it was through the One whose word the bible is.

  45. Please once consider reading and understanding about seeds of serpent in new testment… brother i m sure u will get the true answers

    • Jesse Norman says:

      I already have. You won’t budge me on this :-) Here is some advice, which I had to learn the hard way: Just because you have a peek into something, it doesn’t mean you have seen the whole thing. Wisdom does this. Wisdom was like walking through a well-lit room and seeing a door on the other side. When you get to the door, it will open into another well-lit room. This happens in the beginning, but the more wisdom you gain, those doors only crack slightly open. It allows you to walk to the other door, but that too is only slightly cracked open. At that point, you have to make a decision whether or not you are willing to redo everything. Even the things you are completely right about, you need to make the decision whether or not to redo what you have learned. The reason for this is because when you redo eveything, even the most basic parts of faith and wisdom is because the new things you will learn will connect with the old things and form one harmonious line, from point A to point B. There is an end to these things, as far as what we’re doing here and what this is all about. If you are fortunate enough to be of those to get that understanding, you won’t believe how simple it really is. It is so simple that the only way it can be clouded is by Him. The only way you can get there is by studying His Word in its original languages.

      I have been where you are. I know the exact wrung you are standing on wisdom’s ladder. I have been where you are, but you haven’t been where I am. I am not condescending. I am urging. This is up to you.

  46. I accept with you brother. But tell me this please what words in bible said by God lead you to a conclusion that serpent had sex with eve ? what words in bible led to the conclusion that some people who are the sons of cain survived the flood ? What words of God told you that gaints are the sons of angels and men ? What words of bible told you that pharisees and scribes are decendants of serpent ?

    • Jesse Norman says:

      I already did. Kenites come from Cain. This is conclusive in the Hebrew, which I pointed out in “The Definitive Work…”, where Kenite was mistranslated a couple of times. The Hebrew word was Cain. Kenites are written about well after the flood. The Anakim and Rephaim both were giants, and they were written about after the flood. The word “giants” in Genesis 6 was also mistranslated. The Hebrew word was “nephilim”, which means “fallen ones”. It says in Genesis 6 that the sons of God (angels) took human women as wives and in the book of Enoch, this is conclusiveky written that angels had sex with women and has children. Look up that book. I am in a hurry, so I gotta go. Get those two books I recommended.

  47. What ever God revelead me i will never say that i completed and understood fully because there is no end to bible. But i can and i will say in Gods name i can and will answer any question you put up.
    Gods work is never simple. God’s word can never be justified with a simple answer. If i say i understood everything then i am a fool. There is no need to read bible in original language. Because holy spirit speaks no matter in which language the bible is. only one thing is obvious. It is difficult for us to understand God’s word and hence we come to a simple conclusion with our human brains which will explain bible simple.

  48. No you didnot explain your conclusion using bible references you just said this might have happened regarding lives after flood, everything u said you said on assuption and translation of words of bible through other languages but you never quoted bible references as i did throw God. Quote the references of everything using the God’s word in bible instead of translations. Is there anything in bible that one should read other languages to understand clearly about bible ? instead there is in bible that God has kept His Holy Spirit in us so that it explains everything to us. Now if you really follow bible and if you really say about your theory using God’s word then quote every word that God said about your theory in bible. not like in genesis 6 or in hebrews or somewhere in bible.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      How can the Holy Spirit reveal to you a mistranslation? If you do not think it’s important to read the Bible in its original languages, then I can’t help you because you won’t help yourself.

      As far as my theory goes, I really don’t know what you want from me. How many times do I have to point out something to you where you take it in that I pointed it out to you? Why do I need to quote every word in the Bible that pertains to what I am talking about when I can point them out and you can read them yourself? Genesis 6 isn’t good enough? Jude isn’t good enough? Enoch isn’t good enough? You are basically telling me to omit some of God’s word, then use His word to make my case. I am not going to quote every word in these verses that I pointed out. You can find them. I am not making verses up, so I don’t know what your problem is. If you refuse to look these things up, or acknowledge them, then the discussion is over. There is no further we can go here. The Holy Spirit isn’t going to explain things like mistranslations. The Holy Spirit can help us find them, like when God’s word seems to conflict or doesn’t sound right. The Holy Spirit will let us know which alternative definition fits best. Just reading a KJV and thinking you have His word in clarity is not good judgment. God rewards those who diligently seek Him. Tracing His word back to the original languages falls under that.

  49. Hello brother, i thank you a lot to suggest me read the book of enoch which i donot know that even existed.. i found it… i am reading and studying on it… i will prove u with the book of enoch that angels cannot have sex with humans and satan didnot father cain.. i have got enough proofs but they are not sufficient i m still asking God to help me.. in God’s name i will say the truth about everything so pls be in contact with me sir

    • Jesse Norman says:

      You can’t prove against the truth, nor against something that is so plainly written. I gave all the examples I needed.

      I don’t mind conversing, but instead of looking to prove me wrong, why don’t you instead give yourself a clean slate? I told you before that you will have to make a choice. Are you going to be willing to redo everything you have learned, even things you are completely correct about? That is up to you. You are not going to convince me of what you want to convince me of. Can’t do it. It’s not that I am unwilling, but it’s because it is completely conclusive to me.

      I am glad you got the book of Enoch, but you need to get a Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance. It is VERY important to learn the mistranslations in the Bible. Without knowing at least some of the major mistranslations in the KJV, your ceiling of wisdom will remain low.

      I will share with you a vision I had night before last. I was standing in a garden with vegetable plants that were almost ready to bear fruit, but this was towards the end of winter. I was firming the ground of one plant when God said to me “Take care of them.” I said to Him “It hasn’t even stormed yet.” Perhaps you were the plant I was firming the ground of. Only time will tell. I can only suggest things to you. It’s up to you to do them.

  50. Brother, according to genesis 6 “Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves,whomever they chose.” and you say sons of God were fallen angels who had sex with men. now if u see next verse,
    “Then the Lord said, “My spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” now if u see methuselah lived for 969 years.. and now according to this verse men was cursed. Why did men was cursed by God if fallen angels did have sex with woman ? clearly on account of sons of God choosing daughters of men as wives, God became angry and cursed men. Why did God do that if angels did wrong? Also according to book of enoch it is written and described angels as “Sons of Heaven” and people who walk with God in book of enoch it is written “Sons of God”

    • Jesse Norman says:

      The sons of heaven and the sons of God are in many instances the same. The “sons of God” reference was also used in Job 1 and 2. Who says that men were cursed for only living for a hundred and twenty years? What Moses wrote of the sons of God taking women for wives was clearly a profound thing. What would be profound to note “men saw women were beautiful so they took some for wives”?

  51. And according to Mark 12;25 ” For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.” See here ANGELS CANNOT HAVE MARRIAGE LIKE HUMANS. ANGELS CANNOT HAVE BODILY DESIRES LIKE HUMANS DO. This word clearly says fallen angels cannot havee sex like men do.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      Those angels God referred to are not ones who fell, because they are in heaven. The angels which took women for wives are no longer in heaven, but inside crevices in the earth awaiting judgment day. Whatever you bring up, I have a counter.

  52. For occurrences of “sons of God” referring to men (standing in a covenant relationship with God) see Deuteronomy 14:1; 32:4-5; Psalm 73:15; Hosea 1:10; Romans 8:14,19; Philippians 2:15; 1 John 3:1-2.

  53. According to book of enoch chapter 1 angels are said as sons of heaven and sons of god are described as men. For occurrences of “sons of God” referring to men (standing in acovenant relationship with God)
    see Deuteronomy 14:1; 32:4-5;
    Psalm 73:15; Hosea 1:10; Romans
    8:14,19; Philippians 2:15; 1 John
    3:1-2. According to mark 12:25 ” For when they shall rise from the
    dead, they neither marry, nor are
    given in marriage; but are as the
    angels which are in heaven.” this word is about angels. Bible clearly says angels cannot have human desires and they cannot do things like humans. who r u and i to say angels can have sex? even in enoch it is written that angels possessed men and woman. through woman they seduced son of gods. it is written properly in enoch. read it once again. And there were NO extraterrestrial relations, and 1st Corinthians 15:39,40 proves it…
    “All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men,another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the
    terrestrial is another.” This word clearly proves you that angels glory is one and humans is another. Also from bible word of God says angels are souls and thus cannot die and thus they donot have desires of body and they cannot do the the things we do. thus angels didnot have sex and thus satan didnot have sex (this written in the book of enoch do u want me to say where its written my brother in Christ? ) and angels didnot have sex and brought gaints (read genesis 6 it is there or u can ask me i will quote)

    • Jesse Norman says:

      Azazel and Semjaza were not men. Those with them in their plot were not men. Men didn’t teach men to make things of metal, put on makeup, make instruments of war, understand the stars, etc… I am done discussing this because it is CLEARLY written that ANGELS took women to be wives, so they fell. This is clear in Genesis 6, Jude, and Enoch. It is not men who took human women for wives, so they committed a great sin. It is not men who asked for Enoch to make intercession between them and God. It is not men whom God sent His angels to imprison inside crevices filled with sharp rocks to await judgment thousands of years later. What human would survive? All you are doing is humoring yourself by making sure you are proven right when God’s word is so plain on this matter.

  54. Book of enoch chapter 1 angels are said as sons of heaven and sons of god are described as men. For occurrences of “sons of God” referring to men (standing in acovenant relationship with God)
    see Deuteronomy 14:1; 32:4-5;
    Psalm 73:15; Hosea 1:10; Romans
    8:14,19; Philippians 2:15; 1 John
    3:1-2. According to mark 12:25 ” For when they shall rise from the
    dead, they neither marry, nor are
    given in marriage; but are as the
    angels which are in heaven.” this word is about angels. Bible clearly says angels cannot have human desires and they cannot do things like humans. who r u and i to say angels can have sex? even in enoch it is written that angels possessed men and woman. through woman they seduced son of gods. it is written properly in enoch. read it once again. And there were NO extraterrestrial relations, and 1st Corinthians 15:39,40 proves it…
    “All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men,another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the
    terrestrial is another.” This word clearly proves you that angels glory is one and humans is another. Also from bible word of God says angels are souls and thus cannot die and thus they donot have desires of body and they cannot do the the things we do. thus angels didnot have sex and thus satan didnot have sex (this written in the book of enoch do u want me to say where its written my brother in Christ? ) and angels didnot have sex and brought gaints (read genesis 6 it is there or u can ask me i will quote)

    • Jesse Norman says:

      You should be worried about taking in things that are plainly written and asking questions that go against what your thoughts are instead of trying to prove yourself correct. I already told you that you were not going to budge me on this, but you keep trying. I said these things are conclusive in my mind because I did ask myself questions that I didn’t like, or went against my doctrine. I want the truth, not to be proven right. Here is an example of your clouded judgment because you are trying so hard to prove yourself correct. These are easy questions you have clearly refused to ask yourself because you are too busy proving yourself right: what would the crime be if men took women to be wives? It is quite clear “the sons of God/heaven” (however you want to define them) committed a great sin in the eyes of God, so what sin could men commit by taking women as wives? Were Semjaza and Azazel men? Did men teach other men the skills Enoch wrote about? Were men put into crevices to await judgment thousands of years later? How could they survive that long if they were in human flesh? How could their children become giants if they were merely men? Why are they called “the fallen” in Hebrew? I could go on and on, but these would be questions I would have asked myself quickly if I were in your shoes because I am more motivated in finding the truth than making sure I am proven correct. We could talk about many other things if you wish, but this subject is closed. All you are doing is trying to convince me of something you couldn’t do in a thousand years. You aren’t helping me, and most importantly you are not helping yourself.

      • first of all you have to know that i am trying to prove the God’s word. Next, Sons of heaven, stars are described for angels and sons of God are described for men who were in covenant with God it is plainly written in enoch and i have posted references about sons of god are men in bible what part of my posts are saying u that i am trying to prove my word right ? sons of god are men. i posted the references that God our Lord Jehovah said in bible. Read them once. Azazel and samjeza are the ministers of satan who fell down from heaven it is written in enoch how can u think that they r men !? people who diverted from God possesed by them learned the things like reading stars etc.. cant u see that ? in holy spirit we learn we prophesize we do miracles but how?its holy spirit in us. and sorcerers witchcraft workers these can bring moments to things how? its evil spirits in them. People possesed by holy spirit speaks in languages they do not know. people possesed by demons do things they r incapable of. thats how that day people came to know about reading stars, saying futures etc…, and why gaints ? its because sons of god men who walked with god diverted from the path for the beauty of women who were possesed and tried to tempt men. these men diverted from God and became the seeds of serpent and fell under cain’s curse if u study his curse God cursed him that his descendants shall eat their newborns drink blood to satisfy their hunger they are none but gaints they are beings that came into existence due to the curse

      • John Brown says:

        > angels are said as sons of heaven and sons of god are described as men.

        Old Testament

        Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
        26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

        New Testament

        John 14:9 (KJV)
        7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

        8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

        9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

        > thus they donot have desires of body and they cannot do the the things we do.

        In the FWIW category, Jesus’s own words prove you wrong.

        John 8:44 (KJV)

        44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the –> lusts <– of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

        lusts – epithymia – feminine noun – desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden, lust

        Just something to blow your mind, think about this. Jesus is talking to the Kenites. "He was a murderer from the beginning". Many people jump to Cain at this point, but, Jesus is still talking about Satan.

        Think about this.

        Is Jesus talking about killing Adam and Eve with the rape, that they die within the 1,000 years or exactly how did Satan rebel against God with 1/3 of the angels? Why is Satan the only one by name, already sentenced to death? Did he actually "kill" God to then find out that the pot is not greater then the potter?

        Why is there such a big thing placed on being a "virgin" for Christ?

        Why is homosexual conduct, the kind of sexual immorality being the surest thing to bring God down from heaven to wipe it out? Could it be one of Satan's original sins (lusts) against God when he had angel to angel (man to man) sex in heaven with 1/3 of the angels?

        If angels did not have free will and the ability to sin, why was there a mercy seat that Satan was suppose to protect? Why is there still a need for healing waters and leaves after Satan is thrown into the lake of fire?

        Mark 10:18 (KJV)
        18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

        Just a few points for you to think about.

  55. satan,azazel, etc are the spirits that are going to be perished by Jesus in second coming. they are just kept to do their things they wanted to do by God. They preserved for destruction. How can they be men ? You are trying to prove yourself by conviencing yourself in a way that alll your conclusions are satisfied but remember u are going against word of God. if you say you are right and that you speak from wisdom then answer my questions

    1. mark 12:25 ” For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither
    marry, nor are given in marriage; but
    are as the angels which are in heaven.”

    question: Angels donot marry. And hence and because they are not of flesh to satisfy themselves like humans. So fallen angels are among them who fell from heaven. God clearly says they do not have flesh and cannot marry to satisfy desires how can u say that they are men and had sex?

    2.
    1st Corinthians 15:39,40 proves it…
    “All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the
    terrestrial is another.”

    question: Clearly says angels glory and human Glory is different that is angels are spirits humans are flesh. How can u say angles have flesh?

    3.
    Deuteronomy 14:1; 32:4-5;
    Psalm 73:15;
    Hosea 1:10;
    Romans 8:14,19;
    Philippians 2:15;

    (You are the children of the LORD
    your God. Do not cut yourselves or
    shave the front of your heads for
    the dead, dut 14:1)

    ( “Yet the Israelites will be like the
    sand on the seashore, which
    cannot be measured or counted. In
    the place where it was said to
    them, ‘You are not my people,’
    they will be called ‘children of the
    living God.’ hosea1:10)

    ( For those who are led
    by the Spirit of God are
    the children of God. romans 8:14)

    ( For the creation waits in eager
    expectation for the children of God
    to be revealed. phillipians 2:15)

    And read remaining references. Question : These are aall speaking about sons of God are men. How can u say (sorry) assuume and conclude that sons of god or heaven are angels?

  56. You need to divert from what you are thinking is true because its wrong. u are completely going against bible not knowing where to take figuratively and where to understand literally. U figuratively understood bruising head and heel and you have diverted God’s word in genesis which is a road to salvation and sacrifice of jesus and crushing of satan. You have diverted to such an extent that an animal serpent (literally) possed by satan that is that animal had sex with eve…. is it possible that sperms of snake can be compatible to eve’s ova to bear cain ? Have u ever thought like this brother ? How can anyone escape the wrath of God when the creator Himself decides to destroy everything? If kenites u say were on the ark aren’t they humans ? then why did God clearly say only 8 humans remained ? Do you think God felt shy about saying that eve had sex with serpent? no because God clearly mentioned each and everything in bible He even warned about having sex with mothers and fathers and children why would u think God concealed it for you to find out about eve and satan ? its all in your head my brother in Christ.. common….i m saying this in love not to condemn or proving something… if you did not realize now u shall never know and accept truth in your life…

    • Jesse Norman says:

      I have diverted to such an extent to believe that an animal serpent possessed by Satan had sex with Eve? That I made it possible to believe that the sperm from a serpent could be compatible with a woman’s egg? I have made no such claim. I have said that Satan in his angelic flesh had sex with Eve. I have said that Azazel and Semjaza in their angelic flesh had sex with human women as wives and had children with them, thus committing a great sin (clearly written) in the eyes of God and ceased from being heavenly angels, but fallen angels. Their children became giants, and in the Hebrew they were known as nephilim (fallen ones). The descendants of Satan are Kenites, and the descendants of the children of the fallen angels still existed after the flood. The Rephaim and the Anakim were both giants that Israelites fought as they took over the land God promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They survived the flood somehow. Here are a couple of mistranslations you are ignorant of. Judges 4:11 (KJV) “Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab, the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.” Now Judges 4:11 straight from the Hebrew “Now Heber the Cain, which was of the children of Hobab, the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.” The original Hebrew word for “Kenite” was “Cain”, but “Kenites” was correctly translated. This means Cain and Kenites are the same, and they survived the flood. Numbers 24:21-22 (KJV) “And he (Balaam) looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said ‘Strong is your dwellingplace, and you put your nest in a rock.” “Nevertheless the Kenite shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry you away captive.” Now these same verses correctly translated “And he looked on the Kenites and took up his parable, and said ‘Strong is your dwellingplace, and you put your nest in a rock.” “Nevertheless the Cain shall be be wasted, until Asshur shall carry you away captive.” Again, according to God’s original word without the influence of men plainly says Kenites are from Cain and they survived the flood. Both of these instances were well after the flood. Did the Holy Spirit reveal these mistranslations to you from the KJV? You haven’t studied the Bible in its original form, but you said it was unnecessary because the Holy Spirit will reveal these to you. But I know God rewards those who diligently seek Him. Saying “the Holy Spirit will tell me of errors in the KJV” is not diligently seeking Him.

      You can’t condemn me. There is only One who can.

      We are in the same likeness as angels, so yes they can have sex with women and their sperm is compatible with the eggs of women.

      God does not mind concealing things for people to study and find out, hence the line “God rewards those who diligently seek Him.” It is as plain as a day sans clouds that it is written in all those examples I mentioned that angels had sex with human women and fell because of it. It can’t be more clearly written. It can’t. You can argue about Satan fathering Cain, but you can’t argue against the facts that Kenites came from Cain, and they survived the flood, nor that Azazel and Semjaza had sex with human women and had children, who also survived the flood.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      Enoch 6:1-3 “And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters.” “And the ANGELS, the children of the heaven saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: ‘Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.” “And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: ‘I fear you will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of this great sin.'” Then they swore an oath to do this. I forgot just how plainly written this is. I swear this is case closed. No more debating this.

  57. bible speaks people like you. you cannot understand bible because u read it in translations. u cannot understand because u never hear. u read only enoch and following it u say holy spirit revealed to you. ok. but beware my brother one day u shall realize what is true and at that moment its a waste then remember my name. I am K. Stephen Moses,20 years old, completed by batchlor degree in electronics

  58. Oh now you say satan in the form of serpent is in angelic form !!!!!??? Brother it is written satan chose serpent. Read genesis 3. How can you say that serpent is in angelic form ???? End this discussion when you prove u r conclusion. You yourself said God spoke to u in a dream in garden and u said the tree u r planting strongly is me. So you are just leaving ignoring God word to u about me!!!!!!

  59. You are arguing and concluding but can u see that u r saying Jesus Christ is wrong ? Angels sperm is compatible to eve egg !!!!! How can a spirit a soul have sperm brother ? if u r conclusion is true then Jesus Christ is a liar. Because Jesus says in Mark 12:25 Angels cannot have bodily desires because they donot have a flesh. Are you saying this mark 12:25 is wrong and as u r deligent holy spirit awarded you the truth ?????

    • Jesse Norman says:

      Can you please tell me where it says angels cannot have bodily desires because they do not have a flesh? I read Mark 12:25, but all I see is a made up conclusion from you to suit your purpose.

      I said the plant I was firming the ground of in that dream MIGHT be you, but time will tell. I don’t ignore God. I fasted for forty days because I did not ignore God.

      You can dismiss Enoch because it does your doctrine no good, but I’d be an utter fool to keep this back and forth in perpetuity. Jude spoke of the book of Enoch in verse 14, which means it is an authentic book of the Bible, thus an authentic book of God’s. Jude said also angels left their habitation by going after STRANGE FLESH for fornication (verse7). It’s nice I guess to exclude things written that don’t make you look good, but I don’t do that.

      I see these things written in Jude. I see those three verses listed in Enoch, which SAY PLAINLY THAT ANGELS LUSTED AFTER THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN AND CONSPIRED TO TAKE SOME AS WIVES AND HAVE CHILDREN WITH THEM, AND THEY KNEW IT WAS A SIN. I see their children become giants, which the sons of Anak were also (Numbers 13:33). The same original Hebrew word was used in Genesis 6:4 and Numbers 13:33. The Israelites who scouted the land were frightened at their size, and insighted fear amongst the Israelites. Only Caleb and Joshua trusted that God would deliver the Anakim. The Israelites refused to invade because they didn’t trust God to give the Anakim into their hand.

      I never said Satan was a snake at all. I never came close to that reference. The serpent was Satan, as John twice in Revelation called him “that old serpent” (16:9, 20:2). The “serpent” was a metaphor, just as calling Satan a dragon was.

      I really can’t help you any further because all you are doing is trying to be right, and nothing can prove you wrong. You dismiss Enoch, Jude, and whatever you want. I add them because they are written. I don’t care what I think, and I don’t care what you think. I don’t care about what I want to be true, and I don’t care about what you want to be true. All I care about is what IS true. All I care about is what IS written- ALL OF IT. Either the book of Enoch is authentic, or it isn’t. Since Jude made reference to a prophecy of Enoch’s, which is only in his book, then I am saying it is authentic. Enoch 6:1-3 says angels desired human women. Case closed!

  60. Jude 1:6 ” And the angels who didnot keep their own domain but abandoned their proper abode ”

    angels going after strange flesh
    This you understood like angels left heaven or cast out from heaven and chose wives for them. But it is wrong. They left God and chose to dwell in flesh of men and woman. That is right. God saw that as sin as written in enoch. Below are the proofs for it. Angels fallen chose to dwell in flesh of humans

    Matthew 4:24: ” …they brought
    unto him [Jesus] all sick people
    that were taken with divers
    diseases and torments, and those
    which were possessed with devils,
    and those which were lunatick, and
    those that had the palsy… ”

    Matthew 8:16 : ” When the even was
    come, they brought unto him many
    that were possessed with devils… ”

    Matthew 8:28-34 : ” And when he
    [Jesus] was come to the other side
    into the country of the Gergesenes,
    there met him two possessed with
    devils, coming out of the tombs,
    exceeding fierce… ”

    Matthew 9:32-33 : ” As they went
    out, behold, they brought to him a
    dumb man possessed with a devil .”

    Matthew 10:1 : ” And when he had
    called unto him his twelve
    disciples, he gave them power
    against unclean spirits, to cast
    them out, and to heal all manner of
    sickness and all manner of
    disease. ”

    Matthew 12:22 : “Then was brought
    unto him one possessed with a
    devil, blind, and dumb… ”

    Matt 12:43-45 : “When the unclean
    spirit is gone out of a man, he
    walketh through dry places,
    seeking rest, and findeth none. ”

    Matthew 15:22 : “And, behold, a
    woman of Canaan came out of the
    same coasts, and cried unto him,
    saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord,
    thou Son of David; my daughter is
    grievously vexed with a devil. ”

    Matthew 17:14-18 : ” There came to
    him a certain man, kneeling down
    to him, and saying, Lord, have
    mercy on my son: for he is
    lunatick, and sore vexed…And
    Jesus rebuked the devil; ”

    Mark 1:23 : ” And there was in their
    synagogue a man with an unclean
    spirit; and he cried out… ”

    Mark 3:11 : ” And unclean spirits,
    when they saw him, fell down
    before him, and cried… ”

    Mark 3:22-26 : ” And the scribes
    which came down from Jerusalem
    said, He hath Beelzebub, and by
    the prince of the devils casteth he
    out devils. ”

    Mark 5:2-20 : “…there met him
    [Jesus] out of the tombs a man
    with an unclean spirit, Who had his
    dwelling among the tombs; and no
    man could bind him, no, not with
    chains: Because that he had been
    often bound with fetters and
    chains, and the chains had been
    plucked asunder by him, and the
    fetters broken in pieces: neither
    could any man tame him. And
    always, night and day, he was in
    the mountains, and in the tombs,
    crying, and cutting himself with
    stones. ”

    Mark 6:7 : ” And he called unto him
    the twelve, and began to send
    them forth by two and two; and
    gave them power over unclean
    spirits; ”

    Mark 7:2 : ” For a certain woman,
    whose young daughter had an
    unclean spirit, heard of him, and
    came and fell at his feet:”

    Mark 9:17-25 : ” I have brought
    unto thee my son, which hath a
    dumb spirit; And wheresoever he
    taketh him, he teareth him: and he
    foameth, and gnasheth with his
    teeth, and pineth away:… and when
    he saw him, straightway the spirit
    tare him; and he fell on the
    ground, and wallowed foaming…
    [Jesus] rebuked the foul spirit… ”

    Mark 9:38 : ” …Master, we saw one
    casting out devils in thy name, and
    he followeth not us… ”

    Mark 16:9 : ” …Jesus…appeared
    first to Mary Magdalene, out of
    whom he had cast seven devils. ”

    Mark 16:17 : “And these signs shall
    follow them that believe; In my
    name shall they cast out devils… ”

    Luke 4:33 : ” And in the synagogue
    there was a man, which had a spirit
    of an unclean devil, and cried out
    with a loud voice… ”

    Luke 4:41 : ” and devils also came
    out of many, crying out… ”

    Luke 8:2-3 ” And certain women,
    which had been healed of evil
    spirits and infirmities, Mary called
    Magdalene, out of whom went
    seven devils, And Joanna the wife
    of Chuza Herod’s steward, and
    Susanna, and many others… ”

    Luke 8:33 : ” Then went the devils
    out of the man, and entered into
    the swine: and the herd ran
    violently down a steep place into
    the lake, and were choked. ”

    Luke 9:38-42 : ” …a man of the
    company cried out, saying, Master,
    I beseech thee, look upon my son:
    for he is mine only child. And, lo,
    a spirit taketh him, and he
    suddenly crieth out; and it teareth
    him that he foameth again, and
    bruising him hardly departeth from
    him….And Jesus rebuked the
    unclean spirit… ”

    Luke 10:17 : “And the seventy
    returned again with joy, saying,
    Lord, even the devils are subject
    unto us through thy name.”

    Luke 11:14 : “And he [Jesus] was
    casting out a devil, and it was
    dumb… ”

    Luke 11:15 : “But some of them
    said, He casteth out devils through
    Beelzebub the chief of the devils .”

    John 7:20-21 : ” The people
    answered and said, Thou hast a
    devil: who goeth about to kill
    thee? ”

    John 8:48-49 : ” Then answered the
    Jews, and said unto him, Say we
    not well that thou art a Samaritan,
    and hast a devil? ”

    John 10:20 : “And many of them
    said, He hath a devil, and is mad;
    why hear ye him? ”
    ————–
    According to Mark 12:25 ” For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor given in marriage BUT ARE LIKE ANGELS IN HEAVEN ” if angels can have sex and bodily desires then why did God say you will be like angels ? what difference then it will make between an angel and human ? As angels cannot have desires temptation sex etc…, Jesus said when you rise you shall leave your body but shall be a spirit and you shall be like angels who donot have bodily desires. You read bible word properly before saying to me that i was taking conclusions like i want. Is it that enough to prove u angels and humans are different? fallen angels did not desire to have sex but instead they want us to commit adultery infront of god that is why bible says adultery is an evil nature from evil spirit. and who r possesed commits adultery with woman mothers fathers brothers animals. are there no one? there are people even have sex with animals. does that mean evil spirits are satisfying their desires through us? how foolish to think like that? evil spirits cannot have desire. can adultery wants to commit adultery ? instead it makes others commit adultery.
    ————-
    You are hanging only with enoch and are saying that u r right because ur thinking enoch book literally without reading other scriptures.

    And you accepted Jesus Christ is wrong.
    If

  61. Jude 1:6 ” And the angels who didnot keep their own domain but abandoned their proper abode ”

    angels going after strange flesh
    This you understood like angels left heaven or cast out from heaven and chose wives for them. But it is wrong. They left God and chose to dwell in flesh of men and woman. That is right. God saw that as sin as written in enoch. Below are the proofs for it. Angels fallen chose to dwell in flesh of humans

    Matthew 4:24: ” …they brought
    unto him [Jesus] all sick people
    that were taken with divers
    diseases and torments, and those
    which were possessed with devils,
    and those which were lunatick, and
    those that had the palsy… ”

    Matthew 8:16 : ” When the even was
    come, they brought unto him many
    that were possessed with devils… ”

    Matthew 8:28-34 : ” And when he
    [Jesus] was come to the other side
    into the country of the Gergesenes,
    there met him two possessed with
    devils, coming out of the tombs,
    exceeding fierce… ”

    Matthew 9:32-33 : ” As they went
    out, behold, they brought to him a
    dumb man possessed with a devil .”

    Matthew 10:1 : ” And when he had
    called unto him his twelve
    disciples, he gave them power
    against unclean spirits, to cast
    them out, and to heal all manner of
    sickness and all manner of
    disease. ”

    Matthew 12:22 : “Then was brought
    unto him one possessed with a
    devil, blind, and dumb… ”

    Matt 12:43-45 : “When the unclean
    spirit is gone out of a man, he
    walketh through dry places,
    seeking rest, and findeth none. ”

    Matthew 15:22 : “And, behold, a
    woman of Canaan came out of the
    same coasts, and cried unto him,
    saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord,
    thou Son of David; my daughter is
    grievously vexed with a devil. ”

    Matthew 17:14-18 : ” There came to
    him a certain man, kneeling down
    to him, and saying, Lord, have
    mercy on my son: for he is
    lunatick, and sore vexed…And
    Jesus rebuked the devil; ”

    Mark 1:23 : ” And there was in their
    synagogue a man with an unclean
    spirit; and he cried out… ”

    Mark 3:11 : ” And unclean spirits,
    when they saw him, fell down
    before him, and cried… ”

    Mark 3:22-26 : ” And the scribes
    which came down from Jerusalem
    said, He hath Beelzebub, and by
    the prince of the devils casteth he
    out devils. ”

    Mark 5:2-20 : “…there met him
    [Jesus] out of the tombs a man
    with an unclean spirit, Who had his
    dwelling among the tombs; and no
    man could bind him, no, not with
    chains: Because that he had been
    often bound with fetters and
    chains, and the chains had been
    plucked asunder by him, and the
    fetters broken in pieces: neither
    could any man tame him. And
    always, night and day, he was in
    the mountains, and in the tombs,
    crying, and cutting himself with
    stones. ”

    Mark 6:7 : ” And he called unto him
    the twelve, and began to send
    them forth by two and two; and
    gave them power over unclean
    spirits; ”

    Mark 7:2 : ” For a certain woman,
    whose young daughter had an
    unclean spirit, heard of him, and
    came and fell at his feet:”

    Mark 9:17-25 : ” I have brought
    unto thee my son, which hath a
    dumb spirit; And wheresoever he
    taketh him, he teareth him: and he
    foameth, and gnasheth with his
    teeth, and pineth away:… and when
    he saw him, straightway the spirit
    tare him; and he fell on the
    ground, and wallowed foaming…
    [Jesus] rebuked the foul spirit… ”

    Mark 9:38 : ” …Master, we saw one
    casting out devils in thy name, and
    he followeth not us… ”

    Mark 16:9 : ” …Jesus…appeared
    first to Mary Magdalene, out of
    whom he had cast seven devils. ”

    Mark 16:17 : “And these signs shall
    follow them that believe; In my
    name shall they cast out devils… ”

    Luke 4:33 : ” And in the synagogue
    there was a man, which had a spirit
    of an unclean devil, and cried out
    with a loud voice… ”

    Luke 4:41 : ” and devils also came
    out of many, crying out… ”

    Luke 8:2-3 ” And certain women,
    which had been healed of evil
    spirits and infirmities, Mary called
    Magdalene, out of whom went
    seven devils, And Joanna the wife
    of Chuza Herod’s steward, and
    Susanna, and many others… ”

    Luke 8:33 : ” Then went the devils
    out of the man, and entered into
    the swine: and the herd ran
    violently down a steep place into
    the lake, and were choked. ”

    Luke 9:38-42 : ” …a man of the
    company cried out, saying, Master,
    I beseech thee, look upon my son:
    for he is mine only child. And, lo,
    a spirit taketh him, and he
    suddenly crieth out; and it teareth
    him that he foameth again, and
    bruising him hardly departeth from
    him….And Jesus rebuked the
    unclean spirit… ”

    Luke 10:17 : “And the seventy
    returned again with joy, saying,
    Lord, even the devils are subject
    unto us through thy name.”

    Luke 11:14 : “And he [Jesus] was
    casting out a devil, and it was
    dumb… ”

    Luke 11:15 : “But some of them
    said, He casteth out devils through
    Beelzebub the chief of the devils .”

    John 7:20-21 : ” The people
    answered and said, Thou hast a
    devil: who goeth about to kill
    thee? ”

    John 8:48-49 : ” Then answered the
    Jews, and said unto him, Say we
    not well that thou art a Samaritan,
    and hast a devil? ”

    John 10:20 : “And many of them
    said, He hath a devil, and is mad;
    why hear ye him? ”
    ————–
    According to Mark 12:25 ” For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor given in marriage BUT ARE LIKE ANGELS IN HEAVEN ” if angels can have sex and bodily desires then why did God say you will be like angels ? what difference then it will make between an angel and human ? As angels cannot have desires temptation sex etc…, Jesus said when you rise you shall leave your body but shall be a spirit and you shall be like angels who donot have bodily desires. You read bible word properly before saying to me that i was taking conclusions like i want. Is it that enough to prove u angels and humans are different? fallen angels did not desire to have sex but instead they want us to commit adultery infront of god that is why bible says adultery is an evil nature from evil spirit. and who r possesed commits adultery with woman mothers fathers brothers animals. are there no one? there are people even have sex with animals. does that mean evil spirits are satisfying their desires through us? how foolish to think like that? evil spirits cannot have desire. can adultery wants to commit adultery ? instead it makes others commit adultery.
    ————-
    You are hanging only with enoch and are saying that u r right because ur thinking enoch book literally without reading other scriptures.

    And you accepted Jesus Christ is wrong.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      Angels did not possess the bodies of men and were with women. If that were so, then their children would not be giants.

      • Sons of God were diverted by beauty of women who are not in God that is who are possesed with satan who tempted Sons of God men to commit adultery and thus Sons of god were cursed by God. They became cain descendants and thus curse of cain continued on them. Gaints were born but these were children in the begining as their hunger cannot be satisfied they began eating all the flesh of men and blood thus they became abnormal. this is their curse if u want proof read deuternomy about cain’s curse. God cursed cain descendants will eat the flesh of men.

  62. How can you close the case brother ?
    Can i know about yourself brother I mean what do you do… are you a church priest… i just want to know brother if it is okay for please do say

  63. I never dismissed anything. You know that. I never did dismissed. but you are dismissing everything except enoch. You are dismissing Jesus.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      I am done with this. Yes, you dismissed several things, such as the exact words that say what I have said. Do not accuse me of dismissing Jesus. I have not. You added your own words to His. This case is closed whether you want it closed or not. Whether you accept it or not. The back and forth is done.

      I am just one of the elect who answered his call eighteen years ago.

  64. man !!!!! i never added words to wat jesus said. u are incapable of understanding bible and u failed to ask God’s help. As you cannot speak u are deliberately speaking i am dismissing words in original languages. Brother one doesnot need to ubderstand words in original languages. i have given all the proofs proving you satan (angel) cannot have sex with eve. angels cannot have sex. i have proved with god’s word. now you ask god to open u r eyes which are closed..
    You are ruining innoscent people who donot have knowledge of bible. You are diverting everyone who read this site. you dont have holy spirit knowledge and guts to prove and explain your explaination. you may see the result of your understandings it might me now or someday.
    i think you are very much elder than me i am only 20 so for you its your ego coming between to accept truth that god revealed to u through me.

  65. If you say u are not dismissing and if ur accepting jesus then explain Mark 12:25 for me please.

  66. Also please explain me this if u accept Jesus ” Let the dead bury the dead ” luke 9:16

  67. You say women and men are not possesed by evil spirits then who are pharasees who prophesied? who are sorcerers? how they do things? man you are dismissing entire bible.

    • Jesse Norman says:

      I am ruining innocent people who do not know Bible, and I am dismissing entire Bible??? I DID NOT SAY men and women have not been possessed by spirits. I said those angels who lusted after women and had children with them did not. It is not written anywhere that Azazel, Semjaza, or the others possessed human bodies. It is not even hinted at. The idea of it is a bit ludicrous because it says angels lusted after the daughters of men. Do you think the Bible would not mention them possessing humans then lusting after women? Again you are adding your own words to what is written. People who eat people do not become giants. Mark 12:25 says nothing about angels in heaven not having desires. Mark says people will not marry in heaven, just as the angels in heaven do not marry. The angels who fell during Enoch’s day married… whether or not they possessed men or not, they got married. No matter how you want to look at it, they got married. They also afterwards weren’t angels in heaven any longer. How does an angel take on feelings of lust because he possessed a human body? Why did God let them possess humans for such a long time that they lusted, married, had children, and taught humans things yet the Bible makes no mention of this sin? The example of Balaam and the donkey, how long was the angel inside the donkey? An hour tops?

      “Let the dead bury the dead” was a figure of speech where Jesus said to His disciple “Let those who are lost bury your father.”

      The Pharisees were not possessed by evil spirits. They didn’t need to be. They were plenty evil enough on their own.

  68. Why angels are not married in heaven?

    What is sorcery and blackmagic?

    ‘let the dead bury the dead’ who are lost ? why they are lost?

    Why there are no gaints today did samjeza azazel stopped having sex with woman?

    • Jesse Norman says:

      Angels were not supposed to be married. In a sense, they are married to God. He should be enough for them. After what happened to the angels who fell during the days of Enoch, no angels would be trying to have wives again. There isn’t anyway they could have foreseen such a punishment, but they nearly ruined everything.

      Most sorcery and black magic are kids games done by former zit farm adults. There are demons and fallen angels who could and do have influence over some, but God isn’t going to allow His angels to indiscriminately possess people.

      The lost were those who are not of Christ.

      How do you know there aren’t giants today? After being with pure human women, their genes would be more watered down. If they are no longer around, then it’s because the Israelites killed them all. They were told to kill the Rephaim and Anakim, every last one of them.

      Semjaza and Azazel have been imprisoned in crevices of the earth since the days of Enoch. Yeah, they stopped being with women long ago.

  69. And tell me are angels souls ? Do they breath air ? Can they eat ? Can they drink water ? Do angels sleep ? Do angels have gene ? Are angels made or born ?

    • Jesse Norman says:

      Angels have flesh, but incorruptible flesh, just as those among us who will judged faithfully will be. The word “incorruptible” really meant “undecaying”.

      I am sure they breath, but I doubt they require oxygen, but that’s just me guessing.

      I am sure they eat, because our faithfully judged creation will eat, for this is clearly written.

      I doubt angels sleep. Angels have genes, for we are made in their image. Angels are made by God and God alone.

      • “It is
        written, Man shall not live by
        bread alone, but by every word
        that proceedeth out of the mouth
        of God.” (Matt. 4:4 .)

        You have to know difference between spiritual eating and eating for health of body. If angels are not spirits and has flesh or incorruptible flesh and if they need to eat what do they eat ? wat do they breath? where in bible is written that they eat? Faithfully judged shall eat but what do they eat? no no to be faithfully judged what do they eat? We eat word that means we live by word of God that means our souls live with Word of God.
        Tell me how can u say angels eat?

        And he said to me, “These words
        are trustworthy and true. And the
        Lord, the God of the spirits of the
        prophets, has sent his angel to
        show his servants what must soon
        take place.” (rev 22:6)

        Lord God of the spirits. Then who are spirits if angels are not spirits?

        We are made in God’s image yes. but do u think God looks like you nd me? Dude!!!! God made us in His image that means our spirits look same just like God’s who is a holy spirit.

      • Jesse Norman says:

        It is written that men will eat from the tree of life. Did not God and His two angels eat with Abraham just before God sent them to Sodom? Making us in His image means we look alike, not exactly alike. God said “Let us make men in our image.” That would not be our souls, but our flesh.

      • Also if you are true then to full fill bible, angels should die and should rise again so that their souls should be taken. but Bible doesnt say about that does it?!!!!!

      • Jesse Norman says:

        I did say they are in undecaying flesh, didn’t I? Satan doesn’t even die. He gets put in the bottomless pit for a millennium, comes out for a short period, then gets put into the lake of fire to suffer torment forever.

  70. You said they are married to God. That is spiritual marriage.. one can say right ? They dont need wives right ?
    Spiritual marriage you say, If angels have a body of their own can they be in spiritual marriage with God? As God is a Most Holy Spirit, will God allow an angel with body of its own to be with Him? obviously if angels have body they shall have bodily desires but bible says one should kill the bodily desires to walk spiritually with God. Even in second coming God can take us with body itself but istead He says He takes our souls to be with Him. Why? Even aeliah and enoch should come back to earth at second coming and they should die for God’s word should be satisfied. when they die God shall take their souls. So we can see to be with God one should be like God. Bible says that. One to walk with God should kill his bodily desires. One to live (spiritual marriage) with God, one should become like God that is as He is a holy spirit we shall become a spirit to live with Him. Do you accept this ? This is said through Bible so you shall accept it. Now if u accept then if angels have a body of their own with desires of their own then how can the live with God? Also what is the difference between angel and human?

    • Jesse Norman says:

      The bodily desires are a hinderance to walking with God, and designed to be so. This will show dedication, patience, and strength, but there were many very holy men who had desires and acted on them. As long as it is fine in God’s eyes, then acting on these desires is fine. These desires people wrestle with didn’t only mean sexual. Paul spoke against people who are corrupt more than those who gave into sinful sexual lusts. If men did not give into the sexual desires they have, how would we be born? Moses walked with God and had a wife. Enoch had at least one wife (I don’t believe it’s specifically written he only had one). Abraham had more than one wife. David had many, many wives, as did Solomon. These were holy men.

      Angels are in undecaying flesh and all serve God in some way. Men are not.

      • What the hell are you speaking about? if God is okay with having sex to concieve child then why Jesus Christ is born from virgn mary? What is the reason for Jesus Christ birth if God is okay with having sex? Hey man have u read leviticus properly? or your ideas and theories are erasing everything bible is in your mind? Do u know God asked sacrifices for concieving child God asked sacrifices to forgive as the people had sex to concieve child. God says pregnent woman that she is impure. God didnt show tolerence to even a small mistake. Man you seriously need to read Scripture. For the proof that God was not okay with anything Physically done read leviticus 3,4,5,6,11,12(giving birth to child)

      • Jesse Norman says:

        I think we’re done here. Call your mom and dad sinners for having you, but we are done here.

      • PROOFS IN BIBLE THAT
        ANGELS ARE SPIRITS
        ANGELS DONOT EAT
        ———–

        Angels are spirits made by God.

        Hebrews 1:7 says, “And of the
        angels he saith, WHO MAKETH HIS ANGELS SPIRITS, and his ministers
        a flame of fire.”

        Hebrews 1:13-14 says,

        14 Are they not all MINISTERING SPIRITS, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
        —————-

        (Angels)Spirit beings donot have flesh

        Luke 24:38-39 says,

        “38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

        39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones,
        as ye see me have.”
        ——————
        Angels donot eat food

        Judges 13:16
        ” And the angel of the Lord said to Manoah,”Though you detain me, I will not eat your food but if you prepare a burnt offering then offer it to Lord.” For Manoah did not know that he was angel of Lord.”

        Judges 6:20,21
        20.”And the angel of God said to him ” take the meat and unleaved bread and lay them on this rock and pour out the broth” And he did so
        21.” Then the angel of the Lord put out the end of the staff that was in his hand and touched the meat and the unleavened bread; and fire sprang up from the rock and consumed the meat and unleavened bread. Then the angel of lord vanished from the sight
        —————
        Everywhere , where God speaks about His messengers eating food, they are described as men. Even with abraham it is described 3 men. with lot it is 2 men who came to abraham. It is not said angels came to abraham read Genesis 18. Lord came to abraham. and abraham saw 3 men. Do you anyone named Melchizedek in bible? Priest of high hood. Prince of Peace. Jesus Christ. it might be Jesus Christ who came to abraham because he is Man. And He might eat food while others two went to lot. I am not saying this explaination entirely is right but obviously God says angels are not human and donot have flesh and that they do not eat then who are you to say He is wrong and you are right?

      • Yes we are sinners. Yes my mom and dad concieved me in sin. Because without that sin there is no birth. That is the reason Jesus Christ came to earth to abolish the sin of birth. because no one can undone it and no one can stop it.
        “Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.” John 3:5
        Born again holy. Because the birth of us is a sin. Every one is a sinner. If you are not a sinner in birth then you donot need a baptism. They you are an holy one like Jesus Christ. Man! Yes i am a sinner by birth. Yes my parents concieved me in sin. That is the reason i took baptism to born again abolishing my birth sin…. You man !!!!! You are unbelievable!!!!!!!!

      • Jesse Norman says:

        I am unbelievable???, yet you come with all this scripture to prove a ridiculous argument time and time again, and you always manage to leave out scripture that clearly details what I put forth. The scripture you use is always twisted to suit your point of view, conflicting directly with other scripture when no interpretation is even needed. Everyone knows “Be fruitful and multiply.” Everyone does. Last I checked, we aren’t worms that multiply by asexual reproduction. Everyone knows Moses had a son, and I am betting he was holier than you. Being born into sin has nothing to do with our parents having sex and having us as children. I can list ten scriptures at least about sex within a marriage being fine, but there is no use because you are so obsessed with proving yourself right that no scripture that directly conflicts with you is good enough. Another case in point, it is clearly written that angels and even God Himself ate with Abraham. This is more scripture I bet 90% of beginners know about, but this can’t be possible to you because of scripture pretzeled up to fit your argument you bring up. Another example, angels can’t have sex you say, yet it is clearly written they had lusted after women, married them, then had children with them. Then when you had to abolish that argument, you just start making stuff up, saying they possessed humans to do this.

        I mean no disrespect, but I can’t help you. You are too obsessed with being right. We are a hundred comments in and have gotten virtually nowhere. I have been very patient with you, as anyone would attest witnessing this back and forth. What you need to do (if you dare take the advice of someone who doesn’t know the scriptures as well as you) is get yourself a Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance, learn some patience, read the Bible like you know nothing about it, and give yourself a clean slate for learning. This is the best I can do for you. I have shown you the water, it is up to you to drink it. God bless.

  71. Roman 8:7
    “Because the mind of the flesh is hatred toward God, for it is not subject to the law of God because it cannot be.”

    If angels have flesh how shall you justify this ?

    • Jesse Norman says:

      That is human flesh Paul is speaking of, not angelic. This isn’t that difficult. I don’t know how you can cite this verse and think that it can be used against me and my doctrine of angels having flesh bodies. Paul went on and on about how this age goes against the ways of God. That this age will not accept Him, Christ, or any person that is with Them.

      • This is the reason i say you do not make a sence. Paul says mind of flesh is hatred towards god. u say even angels have flesh. and satisfy their sexual desire and physical needs u say that they eat, sleep, drink and have sex with woman. If that was true according to you these angels were with God before they were fallen. Is not my question obvious? okay as u cannot get it, If angels are with God who have flesh and desires everything then it will be a direct violation to which paul has said which u accept.

      • I mentioned paul’s comment as you said human and angels are same except human have mortal flesh and they have immortal flesh. human breath oxygen but they donot. i mentioned this because flesh is flesh no matter mortal or imortal.

  72. Dead in christ means in whom do the dead in christ live ?

  73. I mentioned paul’s comment as you said human and angels are same except human have mortal flesh and they have immortal flesh. human breath oxygen but they donot. i mentioned this because flesh is flesh no matter mortal or imortal.

  74. If you accept the truth in bible leaving your imagination about angels are not humans to have sex then u will come to right path and serch for answers spiritually and in depth. then u will really be something else to shed light in dark

  75. Flesh is enemy to soul. So flesh will not be taken to heaven in god prescense.

  76. JESUS MY SAVIOUR FOR I AM SINNER IN BIRTH

    I am sinner. Yes my mom and dad concieved me in sin.
    Yes they are sinners. for them for that sin Jesus shed His blood like in old testament they sacrifised animals.
    Because without that sin there is no birth. That is the reason Jesus Christ came to earth to abolish the sin of birth. because no one can undone it and no one can stop it.
    “Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.” John 3:5
    Born again holy. Because the birth of us is a sin. Every one is a sinner. If you are not a sinner in birth then you donot need a baptism. They you are an holy one like Jesus Christ. Man! Yes i am a sinner by birth. Yes my parents concieved me in sin. That is the reason I ACCEPTED JESUS MY SAVIOUR i took baptism to born again abolishing my birth sin…. and any sin i did and i do……You man !!!!! You are unbelievabLE.

    READ BIBLE.

    READ EVERY SCRIPYURE IN BIBLE.

    YOU DONT KNOW SALVATION.

    YOU DONOT KNOW CHRIST LOVE.

    YOU DONOT KNOW THE IMPORTANCE IN HIS SACRIFICE.

    YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN PAGAN DIETYS.

    YOU CONSIDER YOUR BIRTH HOLY.

    YOU REJECT CHRIST.

  77. “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful
    from the time my mother
    conceived me.” psalms 51:5

    if you are man enough so me that bible is not saying birth is not sin.

    I m using word? u r donot have knowledge because the wisdom of bible is God’s gift. You lack it. i proved everything with. You are incapable to prove me wrong. if you are man enough then show me wat scripture is contradicting my usage about scripture. start with words of bible i posted about angels donot eat, sleep, donot have body.
    Iif you are man enough again i say i you are then prove.

  78. Dude !!!!!! really you are an elect man!!!! an elect who is holy by birth. Who doesnt need baptism. who consider the enoch book only is his bible !!!!! An elect who says angels are flesh !!!!!!!!! u really need to start again.

  79. But i cannot wash my hands of you for people like you are my tenth part offering to my God. i shall pray for you.

    ” Lord you say your people are ruining themselves without your knowledge. Yes Lord I praise you for your knowledge shall save us. Lord thank you for giving me the oppertunity to speak of You forgive me if i spoke wrong. You speak to Jesse Norman for its a waste if i alone speak but u speak through your word. Show him the meaning of salvation. Show him 40 days fast is not the reason you forgive us and bless us but it is with Your grace. Lord change him. Lord speak to him. In Jesus name i ask Thee. Amen” And i shall not stop my prayer about u till i die or you change. Praise the lord

  80. Hello how are you brother praise the lord…. Any change in your opinion about satan having sex with eve and fathering cain ? God prophesy about enemity between seed of serpent and child of woman ? About the birth of human is in sin and In Jesus our birth became holy ? About angels cannot be like human ? etc etc ? Just wanna know how are you with these brother…

  81. Fine did well, i dedicated my life to service of God, if its God’s will i will pursue b.div in month of november. anyways just to know, How do you know satan father cain is true ? How are you soo sure ? Not according to book of enoch or going conclusively, but how can u be soo sure and how can u say you are soo right ?

  82. Shellie Pickering says:

    I used to believe the serpent seed was from Cain, as shown that by Arnold Murray of Shepherd’s Chapel. Not so anymore. See, I was drawn to Kabalistic witchcraft at a very early age but I was redeemed by the Blood of Jesus 2012. This teaching, that Cain was Eve and Satan’s seed is Luciferian teaching. There is NOTHING in Genesis that teaches that and you can ‘Strong concordance’ me all day long and still not be right, I

  83. Shellie Pickering says:

    This is Luciferian witchcraft. I know I was part of this teaching before I came to Christ 2014. You can strong concordance me all day with some “beguile” and then travel on into Kenite history, but Satan’s seed was supernatural, which is why it happened before AND after the flood (second descencion being the tower of Babel). If you think Noah was commanded by God to take DNA rejects on the Ark, you have no understanding of the purpose of the flood. Emnity between your seed and her seed:These are the Nephilim. Period.
    Were Cain’s descendants evil? I would imagine because he was the first TILLER. aka gold…aka banker
    But the

    • Shellie Pickering says:

      DNA seed is absolutely PROVABLE Biblically by the Nephilim bloodline…my gosh, that’s what the whole OT was about, the Savior come to rescue us from this flesh! All wars…because they were abominations in God’s eyes aka giants, OR because they were idol/false god worshippers.

      • Shellie Pickering says:

        POINT: This is Luciferian/Kabalistic. It is ABSOLUTELY not PROVABLE or TRUE, though you can SPECULATE as much as you want. I am aware of where you got this teaching and all I can advise is do your own research. Just because it makes sense doesn’t mean it is true. The Nephilim, dna corruption, that is the key. Genesis 6:1-4…absolute proof. Jude…absolute proof. Cain being ANYTHING other than the first banker… false teaching. False false damndible teaching

      • Jesse Norman says:

        How is it Luciferian to say he had a son who did wicked things? How would that make him look good? You don’t know where I got this doctrine from because I do my own research. I get nothing from anyone else. The first banker? Is this another way of accusing Cain to be the father of the Jews and it’s those darn Jew bankers ruining the world? Another Jew-hater at my site? Tilling had nothing to do with gold, but plants. Abel offered his firstlings to the Lord, but the Lord was not happy with Cain’s offering because they were not the first fruits. This isn’t specifically written about Cain, but what Abel did was, which drew a distinction between their offerings. Who was Cain banking to? But my teaching is damnable? You seem very confused at best. My doctrine will be proven in time because from it everything falls in line.

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