The Kenites are a race of people that even many of the more educated Christians don’t really know much about. I have had discussions with some of these people in explaining who the Kenites were and they have trouble accepting it, but in this blog I will try to make it as conclusive as possible. The Kenites are a very important group of people, especially in this day and age. They have been steering our creation to the end by using their gift of subtly manipulating the people who have hollowed themselves empty by not accepting God and the written Word. The Kenites in the meantime have tarnished the legacy of the Jews, who just happen to be a close relation to the Kenites. Many things the hardened blame the Jews for really have been perpetrated by the Kenites. You will see the difference between the Jews and the Kenites after reading this.
In the early Old Testament days, groups of people were either named for their race or where they lived, such as the Canaanites that lived in Canaan. The Kenites however were a nomadic group, hence they were their own race. Many, if not most settled in Canaan and Midian. If the Kenites were a race of people, how did they come about? Cain went east into the land of Nod after he killed his brother Abel, and then married a woman. Their offspring became known as Kenites. In Genesis 4:17, the line of Cain separates from the line of Adam. Even with Cain’s punishment, if he was the son of Adam the bloodline of Adam would have continued through him. I’ll get into that more later. Generations after entering Israel with the Jews, Kenites became an integral part of Jewish society. As it says in 1st Chr. 2:55, the Kenites were appointed to be scribes due to their ability to interpret and convince the masses of their interpretation of the law. Speaking of the law, Moses’ own wife and father-in-law were Kenites. When Moses was banished from Egypt, he found himself in Midian where he would meet his wife. Judges 1:16 reveals that Moses’ father-in-law was a Kenite. Moses’ wife and father-in-law were Kenites that lived in Midian. Given that the Kenites were their own race, but yet the Israelites including Moses took them in, as well as marrying one, they had to be very similar to the Jews.
Still not convinced? Jesus in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 spoke about people who say they are Jews, but are not. He called them liars. Even though there really is no way to know for sure, if anyone speaks factually about something and they’re wrong about it, that makes them a liar in Jesus’ eyes. Notwithstanding that, Jesus was really saying they lie regularly. It’s who they are. So who could be this race of people who say they are Jews, but are not? Who else is written that could possibly fit the mold? Only the Kenites fit those who say they are Jews but really are not.
The Kenites were descendants of Cain, but Cain wasn’t the descendant of Adam. The serpent was the father of Cain, and as was revealed in Rev. 12:9 & 20:2 the serpent was Satan. Read Gen. 3 carefully where the serpent beguiled Eve. God told the serpent that his seed and the woman’s seed would have enmity towards one another. Would God tell a snake that his seed and the woman’s seed would have enmity? Sure Eve gave birth to both, but Satan only fathered Cain. Cain killed Abel and was motivated in the same exact manner God told the serpent. Cain was tormented by the good works of his brother. That was only partially fulfilled with them. It still goes on today and will in this generation come to full fruition. The Kenites have all the traits Satan had. They have it in them to be good liars. They are subtle. They are manipulative. They are very convincing. They are power-hungry, just as Satan was since his fall came because he wanted to become God. They are also great at hiding their true intentions. Most importantly, the Kenites have it in them to hate Jews, Christians, Israel, America, and God. It’s innate, but not destined to come to pass with all of them. Some, however have made their life’s choice.
The Kenites started off as allies to the Jews since they had common enemies, but as time went on they went in the way of their father. As I said before, they had a gift to convince the masses of their interpretation of the law. They didn’t stop there. Over the years they put themselves in positions of power since they are power-hungry and very convincing. When Jesus was alive, He spoke about the scribes and Pharisees being hypocrites. Do you think maybe Jesus was speaking directly to the Kenites? When Jesus had the chance to go free, which was not hHis preordained destiny, it was the Kenite scribes and Pharisees that helped to get the crowd shouting “crucify Him!” while desiring for the release of the criminal Barrabas. Enmity. Who could convince a crowd to be so hateful but the Kenite?
The Kenites in recent history have been setting up the New World Order by way of socialism. Karl Marx is thought of as a Jew, but all you have to do is look at the way he conducted his life. He was able to convince people that his way was right, but inwardly was a ravenous wolf which is why he also wanted to control the media and outlaw religion. He didn’t want the people to have anything greater than he was. Godless people with a god complex. His desire to control the press should convince all that he had no genuine concern for the “have nots” or was at all interested in social justice. Marx didn’t see those days he wished for, but his disciples Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao Tse Tung, and Pol Pot all used his idea of playing on the covetousness of the working class to threaten and eventually kill the rich just to make the surviving haves play ball not with the working class, but the elite revolutionaries. This was his scheme. This was his intention. Lenin was the first to use it. He acted as if he were an ally to the working class people, the unions, and the young students. He puppeteered every move they made. How did he describe these people? He called them “useful idiots”. What people thought of as Marx’s idea of fairness was really his idea of power and control over the people. Things that are certainly against their best interests. That is why Lenin called those that got behind him “useful idiots” instead of “allies”. All you would have to do is see what his idea has given birth to. They all made populist speeches that got enough people behind them and they all became dictators. Everyone of those governments killed people and took away their will. Even in Western Europe, pseudo-socialism found its failures. President Obama points towards capitalism’s failures, but there are no success stories of socialism because socialism wasn’t intended to be successful. It’s all about manipulation and power. Only a Kenite could have birthed such an idea. Satan’s subtlety within his Kenite seed.
Today Kenites are lawyers. They are members of the media. They are people in the entertainment industry. They are in the educational system. Anywhere where they have a voice to be heard from, you can be sure that the Kenites are there. Where people are manipulating money, you can be sure that there are Kenites somewhere around. Not all lawyers with Jewish names are Kenites and not all Kenites are evil. In fact, most probably are not. They do have that evil gene in them though. They are all of Cain, and Cain was of that Wicked One (1st John 3:12).
If you looked up Revelation 3:9, you will see some disturbing things. Those who come up with the synagogue of Satan will be by those who say they are Jews, but are not. If this is the generation where the Word will be fulfilled, then who would do such a thing. Who could fit? It would have to be someone that says they are Jewish, but yet have a deep-seeded hatred for the Jews and Israel. Satan’s seed and the woman’s seed having enmity with one another. It would have to be someone rich. It would have to be someone that has amassed many allies who are easily seduced with his ideas of a new Utopia. It would have to be someone that hates Christianity as well and have the desire to make a one world government the new religion, since they are power-hungry just as Satan was. It would have to be someone that wants to take America down since America puts nothing between a man’s relationship with God and was founded upon an idea to keep government powerless so it doesn’t become it’s own god. Is there someone that is trying to infiltrate churches through subtlety to push the congregation away from Christ and the written Word towards accepting things that aren’t written and the coming one world government? Yes there is, and his name is George Soros.
I have had a couple of word searches that lead to my website that had “Soros Kenite” in them. Wise people. Very wise. I will leave links to a few posts I have written recently about Soros, but I’ve been writing about him for a while now away from the political mindset. Just because he gives money to political figures and towards minions that take down their opponents, it doesn’t mean he has a political ideology persay. He is a self-avowed socialist, but it’s what he has actually done and what he says he wants done that you should be keeping an eye on. Soros the master Kenite, will hide behind his Jewish logo and accuse anyone that is against him of anti-Semitism even though he himself hates Jews. Mostly, the term “self-hating Jews” describe people who aren’t Jewish at all. They are either Kenites or are those who are under the spell of the Kenites. Read the posts I have written about Soros and see where he wants to go.
The synagogue of Satan will be partnered by at least one Christian church. There will be a false prophet afterall, who will have two horns like a lamb, which identifies him as a Christian in the eyes of the world. The False Prophet will be the leader of a Christian denomination, but will speak as the Devil. Soros will probably be the one to appoint him, as will he the leader of the New World Order when it comes. Soros intends to be the man behind the curtains. He relishes that role. Someone else can have the glory for every eye to see. This will be the Antichrist, the rider of the White Horse, and the Beast. It is soon after that Soros will get something he did not foresee or want.
For those who think they can enlighten me about the Judeans being the only godly tribe, or Jew-haters who think you know the real truth on things, I refer you to the page “Attention Jew-Haters:” listed at the top of the site. I have reached the limit of my patience for discussing such things.
UPDATED 9/30/13 I have recently discovered a most enlightening mistranslation in the KJV that proves what I’ve written here is 100% correct. Numbers 24:21-22 “And he looked on the Kenites and took up his parable, and said ‘Strong is your dwellingplace, and you put your nest in a rock. 22 Nevertheless, the *Kenite* shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry you away captive.'” The word “Kenites” was correct, but the word “Kenite” with the asterisk above was mistranslated. The original Hebrew word was none other than “Cain”. Look it up. This proves that Kenites were of the line of Cain and that despite this being after the flood of Noah, that the line of Cain never broke. When I discovered this, I could only believe that Satan had his influence on this mistranslation. This, unlike maybe some other KJV mistranslations, was not an accident. Imagine if it was common knowledge that Kenites were descendants of Cain, it would enlighten many people. Anyone that doesn’t believe that Cain’s line were the Kenites, point this out to them. This is perhaps the most important mistranslation in the KJV. Spread the word. For those who question my doctrine that Moses’ father in law was a Kenite by race, this same mistranslation shows up in Judges 4:11 “Now Heber the *Kenite*, which was of the children of Hobab, the father in law of Moses, had separated himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kadesh.” The word “Kenite” surrounded by asterisks again was “Cain” in the original Hebrew, which proves Moses’ father in law was indeed a Kenite by blood. I had a lot of disagreement over this in the comments section below. One even took God’s name in vain in his argument, but I was proven right.
There is a newer post that is actually much better than this one. I would erase this post if not for the comments on it, because the new one is more informative. It’s called “The Definitive Work On Kenites, Cain, And The Seed Of Satan”.
ONE OF THE ELECTION OF GRACE 
I WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE EVEN HEARD THE WORD KENITE. YOU ARE PARTLY RIGHT.GOD TOLD THE KENITES YOU WILL NEVER LIVE IN A HOUSE AND NOTHING YOU PLANT WILL GROW.N0 FARMER IS A KENITE AND SOROS LIVES IN A HOUSE.TODAY THE MONGALS LIVE IN TENTS AND I THINK KHAN MEANS KING CAIN.
The RICH Kenite (George Soros) built Palaces to live in.
Good morning, Jeanne. Not many people know the word “Kenite” and that’s how the Kenites like it. Even if not fully aware, it’s an innate reaction to keep themselves a mystery. That is why they rarely are open with their true intentions and why manipulation is perhaps their best gift. The list of examples could go on and on. If you look carefully at Jer. 34:5-7, it isn’t God saying this to them. They said they could not do those things by order of their father Jonadab, not by God. It was their father Jonadab, the son of Rechab that told them they wouldn’t drink wine, plant, or live in a house forever. I’m confident that after a few generations this commandment was forgotten or ignored by the Kenites. I know a lot of people that do know about the Kenites think that God told them this curse, but it wasn’t.
Also, the Mongols would not have been welcomed by the Jews or certainly accepted as one of their own. The races never changed until man changed them. I wrote a blog not long ago titled “How Did Cain Marry a Woman?” which you should look into. If you click on “One of the Election of Grace”, you’ll be taken to a page that lists all of my blogs. You should see it on the first page. Thanks for commenting.
in many ways I agree with you …. but at the expense of socialist ideas, I do not agree! Socialism is the dream of some people to live according to justice ….
You keep believing this and you will be left here with Satan
we will all be here when satan returns
Socialism is simply the more palatable term for Communism, which is likely the most anti-Christian political movement ever spawned. I was just watching a few documentaries on Leon Trotsky and was rather astonished at the way in which the original, Lenin-era Bolsheviks and Menshiviks used the terms ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ interchangeably. Practically every political group has its lackeys who truly believe their movement exists to bring about justice, but Socialism/Communism is rather unique in attempting to replace God with the power of the state or central government, and there’s no faster way to ensure institutional injustice with such utopian stupidity. We must never forget that both Stalin and Hitler identified as Socialists, with the USSR standing for the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, while the name Nazi comes from the more formal name National Socialist. At the apex of the pyramid there is no right or left, only tyranny and absolute power
There are a few types of governments that fall under the marxist umbrella. Communism, national socialism, democratic socialism, and pure socialism all are rooted in marxism. Communism is a type of socialism, but very different from national socialism. Communism is where the government owns everything under the guise that it’s owned by the people, whereas national socialism has companies operate at the will of the government but isn’t owned by the government. Democratic socialism, which Bernie Sanders identifies as, is something that smart socialists say telling the people they have power through elections to remove them from office if they don’t do a good job, but they infect every industry to the point of failure where their only siggested possible solution is for government to take over everything due to the “emergency” they caused. Then the rights of the people would be taken away, which was the intent of the democratic socialist all along.
Socialism is indeed a dream of many people that want justice, but it never does so. Those that come up with ideas such as this do so for their own power and benefit at the expense of others. These ideas are intent on playing on the hearts and minds of people to help fulfill their ambition to achieve that power. Socialism is the greatest example of that. You know what that marxist Lenin called people that got behind his idea, so why would he call them that? Look at the results of his idea. There are many things in common with each socialist regime, and in no instance can anyone name justice or fairness.
The Antichrist is none other than Satan himself. Works may be working to set up the kingdom prior to his arrival though.
Absolutely you are right. The one world economy collapses and Stan appears as the true Christ, but is actually the anti-christ who is a test to see who has studied God’s word and cannot be deceived and who is part of “The Great Deception”.
You are sooooooooooooooo Right, God Bless
Hi Jesse thanks for your blog. God told the Cain you are cursed from the earth meaning it will not give its produce to him or his defendants. And they did live in tents for a long time. Jonadab was not a prophet. They can own land but they have to hire someone else to farm it. Although in southern newengland there are some farmers who have egg farms and dairy farms as well.
“God told Cain you are cursed from the earth meaning it will not give its produce to him or his descendants.” That’s a big stretch at best. Cain was marked, which was his curse. No one was allowed to kill him so I’m sure he suffered a lot in his life. Justifiably so. Cain wasn’t allowed to plant, but it says nothing about his descendants. Usually the Bible mentions curses affecting generations specifically if it is so.
The mark GOD gave cain was leprosy when you go through scripture and rightly divide it as Paul says you can see that was the mark. It didn’t have a name at that time up until Miriam.
I have trouble believing that they kenite can be saved when I read Mathew 13
Mat 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Does it say all? This “children” reference seems to be symbolic, because what children did the kingdom give birth to? I believe the tares are those who are really evil, notwithstanding race. Moses’ father in law and his wife were Kenites. Kenites helped the Israelites in the battle with the Canaanites. Kenites were given land in Judah (Joshua 15:57). As Reuben correctly pointed out, Saul warned the Kenites to leave the land they were in when he was about to go to war with the Amalekites so they wouldn’t get killed.
moses father in law were not kenites they only lived in that land
The Antichrist and Satan are two slightly separate beings. It says the Antichrist will die from a wound to the head, and then Satan will be kicked down to Earth. It will look like the Antichrist has risen from death, which will cause so much of the world to marvel at him and believe he’s god. Remember, it mentions only three people specifically being put into the lake of fire: there is Satan, the False Prophet, and also the Beast. Satan goes into the bottomless pit for the millennium, but comes out for a short time to tempt people, but then is placed into the lake of fire where the False Prophet and Beast already are at that point.The Beast is the Antichrist human being. The list it gives separates each entity. If Satan was the same exact thing as the human Antichrist, then they wouldn’t have been separated on that list. Thanks for the comment.
And he will come from the Tribe of Dan; the tribe not sealed in revelation 7.
the antichrist does not die from a wound to the head
the world government dies from the wond and satan heals it
satan is the antichrist satan himself 100 percent
In the bottomless pit, three separate entities are listed as being put into it: Satan, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet. How is Satan and the Antichrist the same when both are put in the bottomless pit?
What land was named after Kenites? “Now Heber the Cain, who was of the children of Hobab, the father in law of Moses…”- how is one a child of Cain and Moses’ father in law, but avoid the blood relation? He was a Midianite by area since Midian was a land.
satan is bound and thrown into the pit to remain there for 1000 years
the beast and the false prophet are destroyed in the lake of fire
the beast and the false prophet recieve their power from satan
they are different roles that recieve their power from satan
just as when one of Gods elect are delivered up before the synagog of satan
he is protected by the power of God and the holy spirit speaks through him.
lucifer or satan is the antichrist in person,
Yes, the Antichrist and False Prophet are of Satan, but are different entities.
just curious jessie
do you understand the deception of the rapture theory that many believe
many preach the rapture with no understanding that the antichrist comes first
thus many are watching for the first messiah to come along,
YHVH snatch’s his elect out of that deception , but many are decieved since
they just follow religion and not the word of God.
Yes I do, but I do also take into account that God will send His angels to gather together His elect from the four winds. The days are shortened for the elect (not for anyone else). The church of Philadelphia, the elect will be kept from the hour of temptation. You were incorrect about the elect offering testimony and and speaking with the Holy Spirit in the future trials because that is for the church of Smyrna. What Jesus says of the church of Smyrna of their trial in Revelation is exactly the same as He said in the gospels of those who offer testimony and to not have any forethought. The church of Philadelphia are not kept from temptation only, but the hour. Add that with the angels gathering the elect from the four winds, and it means something certainly happens. I’m with you that there is no pre-trib rapture and no one can explain away that the mystery of God remains until the sounding of the last trump. Anyone that believes in a pre-trib rapture, I’d like them to explain how if millions of Christians and only Christians suddenly vanish before anything happens, then what mystery would be left? No one has an explanation for that that I’ve heard. The elect will be taken (and only the elect) just before the hour of temptation, which is the period of time between the end of the mystery of God and the end of the age. For those who believe in a pre-trib rapture, they are in great danger because they will be utterly unprepared for the things to come.
jessie, i believe the 6th seal is soon to be opened, the 5th was a time of teaching
to get people ready for the coming of the antichrist, i truly believe the 6th seal will
soon be opened and so very many are not ready for the coming of the antichrist.
i also believe it is more important to spread the word of his coming instead of
discussions on who are the kenites or whether moses had kenites in his family,
or even the rapture theory.
the whole world will whore after the antichrist, they truly will believe he is christ.
That should be the most important thing to teach in these end times,
I also believe that noone is going anywhere, christ is coming here, and all those
that dont have the seal of God (knowledge) will be decieved.
At the opening of the 7th seal instantly all will be changed into spiritual bodies
everyone, good and bad, decieved or not decieved, if they say christ is here or there
dont believe it, christ only comes after the antichrist has done his work.
get people ready to stand aginst the antichrist, I think it is too late for discussions
on anything else. that is only my understanding of what we face in the very near
future, and i am sure God wants the message of the coming of the antichrist
understood more than he wants people to understand the parable of the tares
and the wheat.
good luck jessie i sure enjoy your website
I don’t believe anything has happened yet, as far as the seals, trumpets, and vials. I agree there are other things to talk about, especially preparing those for the things to come. I do that. I believe I have over a hundred posts on this site discussing a wide array of topics, including exhorting readers of the coming time. I also have another site where I discuss things chapter by chapter. “The Definitive Work…” is my last post about Kenites. Thanks for the compliment.
Jesse, satan has many roles, but the one and more important is as antichrist, why? Because he allways want it to be god, the word antichrist in the greek is instead of, so he is comming in the temple of God showing that he is God. It looks like the lamb slayed, but spake as a dragon.
You have to separate Satan from Antichrist, because the Bible does. The Antichrist is human, and is also called the Beast. After the age is over, the Beast and False Prophet go into the lake of fire while Satan goes into the bottomless pit for the millennium. After Satan is loosed for a short period of time to tempt, he gets put into the lake of fire where the Beast and False Prophet already are at that time.
Satan is the Antichrist! You know instead of Christ.The three are all one Satan. These are all offices of Satan. Just as Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. And Moses father was not a Kenite. He just happened to live in the land. As you said he kept himself seperate from the Kenites. Many people who live in an area are to this day still described by the locale. God would not let the Christ line be polluted by Satans children the Kenites.
How does Satan go into the lake of fire after the millennium if he is already there? It says in Rev. 20:10 that Satan goes into the lake of fire, where the beast and False Prophet are. The beast is the Antichrist human being, since people will accept the mark of the beast, so how does Satan go into the lake of fire if he’s already there?
As for the Jethro Kenite thing goes, this is about the thirtieth comment by people who say Jethro was only a Kenite because of the land he lived in, yet none of you has told me of a land named after Kenites, so I’m done debating this topic. I go by what it says, not what I want it to mean.
Norman is right. The red dragon (satan) sin’t the man of sin a.k.a the anti-christ. He will has a prolonged fate than the man of sin a.k.a anti-christ. The red dragon ( satan) will be bound for a 1,000 years and then released. The beast ( man of sin) will go into the lake of fire before satan does; along with the false prophet.
God points, although I disagree concerning the antichrist and satan, for they are the same being. The antichrist, is a role satan plays, when the antichrist is destroyed, that simply means that role has been destroyed.
Not true, because while the False Prophet and the Beast (Antichrist) immediately go into the lake of fire upon Christ’s return, Satan is put into the bottomless pit for a millennium. After he is set loose to tempt people one last time, then he is put into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:10 is pretty clear about that. Thanks for the comment.
Hi sorry for the spelling errors in the first to. Mr. George s. May be setting the stage for the Antichrist. And the Lenore’s like other nomads had cattle but wandered all over not stationary like ranchers or farmers.
The false prophet and the beast that gets a deadly wound are the political system not a flesh being. Perhaps conservative people will try to rise up against the Neo Communists and that may be the deadly wound. But when Satan comes down with his supernatural power people are going to be convinced that he is Jesus and whore after him. Satan has levied Christ for many of eons.
You are rigth, is a political sistem, the four beast of the end times, political,monetary,education and last but not least religion. He is going to fix everyones economic problems, he will put a chicken in every household and perform miracles in the sigth of man. and yes the whole world will whore after him and recive a mark in his forehead or in his hand.
3 years later after your comment about the mark of the beast on forhead and hands, look at this:
Three Square Market, Wisconsin, placing chips on their employees hands. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/technology/microchips-wisconsin-company-employees.html
We’re closer to the end than many people think.
Right on Brian!
How are political systems put in the bottomless pit?
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Hi Jessie,
I am new to your site. I have enjoyed your articles very much. One question. Do you think Felipe Carlos,Prince of Asturus, and son and heir to King Juan Carlos of Spain, the Antichrist? Felipe Carlos was born in the year 1968.
I am very aware of Felipe Borbon Carlos and that he was born in 1968. Jesus said that Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles until the Gentiles time be fulfilled. Jesus was subtly predicting Jerusalem and the nation of Israel would be under Jewish control at separate times, which had Pope Pius XII to say that once that happened it would begin the generation countdown. That happened in 1967 with the Six Day War. I explain in “Antichrist Possibilities” that Prince Felipe Borbon Carlos is the most intriguing possibility. He fits in every way but the married part, but there are divorces, annulments, etc. The number of his name. When he was born. His nation and title. Thanks for the compliment. Spread the word.
I just found your blog today and find it intelligent and informative. You may have addressed this question already, but surely Islam will also be represented by the False Prophet? I would like to know what your comments are regarding the notion that the Antichrist himself will be the Mahdi or 12th Imam of Islam. Islam also believes 666 to be a holy number which represents the Quran. I just wonder about the reaction of Islam to a percieved “Christian” world leader (who would really be the Antichrist). I don’t see them being too supportive of the Antichrist unless they believe he is their 12th Imam.
A good point to point out is that Islam is younger than Christianity. Being that Muhammad was an evil man, I do believe he had guidance from the Wicked One to corrupt the Judeo/Christian Word. The Jews and non-arab Gentiles in the region had their established religions, but the Arabs had a void in that respect. That is the reason why the Antichrist is supposed to do things their Messiah will do. The complete opposite. He is using the believers of Islam to bring about the conflict when the time comes. He will have to have human allies to attack Jews and Christians. After the mystery of God is finished (sounding of the last trump), those that stayed allied to Satan will be by pride and hate alone. Satan will convince them that they can destroy Jesus as he returns so they will make war with the Lamb. Maybe Satan will tell them if they don’t destroy Jesus that they will be sent to Hell, so this will be their last fight. The False Prophet will definitely bring in the Islamic religion under its umbrella since the radicals all over the world have been laying the ground for that for a long time. “For world harmony” will be the mantra to bring in Muslims. Soon after, that peace accord will break up and the world will be at war for the last three and a half years of this age.
I dont know how I missed this in the Torah.
They are also called “Erav Rav”.
Still, so many Jew haters think all Jews are the same.
I think that most of the “Jews” in congress MUST be Kenites.
I wonder if many Christians that are not for real are mixed in this mass as well.
Good write up.
Thank you, I will read it again later, too.
Just a little tid bit from A Hebrew perspective:
Click to access MODERN_EREV_RAV.pdf
I don’t believe it’s most Christians. Maybe just the one’s you see on television?
Eighty percent of Americans identify themselves as Christian… tell me then how this country and its anti-Christian ways are so lost and the violators of Christian tenants keep getting re-elected?
because religion has taught so much untruth and twisted the word so bad
satan uses religion as one of his greatest weapons to decieve
any thoughts on THE HERMANAITER; MR. CAIN and his 999 plan. some see it as 666?
I already answered this question @”Satan, the True Father of Cain”. As politely as I can I have to say it’s a stupid conclusion to draw to, and I’ll say that to anyone. The things some Christians turn the 666 into boggles my mind. The only thing the Bible says about 666 is that is the number of the Antichrist’s name. 6 letters in his first, middle, and last name. Anyone that can turn Herman Cain’s 999 plan into something Satanic deserves to be lost and confused. There must have been a long road of delusion long beforehand to get to a place in their mind where this could be some enlightened conclusion.
Are you kidding me? you guys do not have a clue who the Kenites are! yes, they are a race, but they are not jews, some just lived there. Christ points them out clearly Mathew 23 and many other places. Overmore, Moses’ wife was not a Kenite!! Oh my God, where did you even come up with that? You guys are on the right track, but the key to understanding this (also know as the key of David) is to know “where” they come from. Some people are born in a place, and they are a part of the area by blood. Some moved to that area, so they are only a part of that area by moving there. But the key itself is understanding where Cain comes from. At the start of this page you guys skipped right over the most important part to know about the Kenites!! Who deos Christ tell them are? He tells them that they are of their father the serpant!! Who is the Serpant? So where did Cain come from? Yes, he was Able’s brother, but who is Cain’s father? In the blood line of Adam, why is Cain not listed? If you look, in fact, Cain has similar names in his line, but still different than Adam’s. I really didn’t have to read anymore once I knew you started from the wrong place. If you don’t understand what happened in the garden with adam and Eve, you will never understand the Word of God. i get a little worked up when people try to teach something that they don’t know themselves. kenites are a race, but they have worked their way into every area of our lives. They are the ones that will bring this age to an end. kenites are not farmers as Cain was meant to be. But when Cain slew his brother, the blood of Able cursed their land forever. Their land will never produce no matter how hard they try. The only way they could would be to hire others to do it. wake up people, know what happened in the garden, be honest with your self, and God will provide the Wisdom as needed.
What Wisdom does a man have who says God’s name in vain out of frustration? Where did I come up with that Moses’ wife and father in law were Kenites? Judges 1:16. Gee, it looks like it says Moses’ father in law was a Kenite, which means that his wife must have been also. So you said God’s name in vain over such a ridiculous notion in your eyes, but I proved myself correct. Maybe next time you can take a deep breath before you react the way you did. All you would have had to do was simply ask “where does it say that?” or maybe read everything I wrote here since I showed you. Instead you made yourself look like a fool. BTW, I did go over how the Kenites came about in this and later posts including naming Soros and Marx as being Kenites.
Moses Father in law was a median priest and a blooded hebrew who lived in a kenite area.
That would make it the opposite then. He’d be a Midianite by area and a Kenite by blood. There was no land called Keniteland.
you told it just as it is, thankyou
#1 God’s name is YHVH; I don’t recall him saying that?
#2 Moses’ father-in-law was a Medionite (geographical location), not a Kenite (race).
#3 Why must his wife be the same race as him?
…just saying, thanks for the blog though; very enlightening. More people need to know about this!
Name is also a title, He is God. It would be like saying G-damn for no reason. It’s saying His name in vanity, which is a sin. Judges 1:16 says Moses’ father in law was a Kenite by race. I know he was from Midian, which I made plainly clear in other posts I wrote about Kenites.
I know a man who explained this to me,(Dr Murray) but i forgot his reference, shoulda wrote it down….I’ll ask him again. Have a great evening, loved ones.
Jesse, I read the bible often with a goal to understand God’s word, to be a good christian in all things and to be able to discern truth from false teaching. It is not easy. What helps me is to look for signs of compassion and love. I listen to Pastor Arnold Murray sometimes and that is how I learned of Kenites. I read your blog and appreciate the information. Both you and Pastor Murray, have problems with the term “Socialism”. That is a very narrow culturally biased view. I do not think it or the opposite, “Capitalism” is inherently evil. Anything can be abused. Any man-made structure, any government of man, organization or church that starts out good can be perverted (by greed, ego, Satan, Kenites…). Some “Socialism” when it provides health care, food, shelter to the sick, hungry, and homeless in the spirit of love and compassion.
Socialism is inherently evil because it was a Kenite that came up with it. Marx came up with it to play on the anxiety and the covetousness of the working class, then promising he would give those things if the working class pushed from underneath him and his elite revolutionaries to power. People seem to conveniently forget in his manifesto that he also wanted to control the press and outlaw religion, which should reveal his true intention. He wanted to use the working class to threaten the rich until they played ball. Those who didn’t should be killed. Once the rich played ball, his intention was to then have complete power over the people. He wouldn’t need the working class anymore because he would then have the rich behind him. The working class would realize they were had but since they killed the rich who wouldn’t play ball, they couldn’t fund any future uprising. Then he would control the press to keep the people from criticizing the fabric of the government. There could be no religion because there should be no power above them. Marx never saw those days, but Lenin did. Stalin finished the job. Marx’s idea was used time and time again, and none of them ever did what people thought it was intended to do. Quasi-socialism, which we have in the West, all that happens is the country runs out of money and the system collapses. It’s a purposeful go between to full blown socialism. Just ask Cloward and Piven.
I haven’t watched Murray in a long time because he gets too many things wrong, and I didn’t run with anything he said about Kenites. I do my own work. Read “The Coming 2012 Collapse” for more about the intent of the Kenites of today.
Lee….Take a long deep look into socialism in this and the last century. Now, display for me the successes of any of the systems you just looked at…..Socialism in theory sounds very beneficent. In practice it is always top-heavy and tyrannical.
Jesse, I will not argue or dispute with you that the concept that Marx invented and what Lenin and Stalin put into effect resulted in evil and tremendous harm to many people. The problem with language and putting labels on concepts (Socialism, Christianity, Communism, etc) is that it is never exact. Different people will have a different ideas of what the concept means in their own mind. I already see that what you view as socialism is diffrent from my view. Having lived in Canada, Japan, and Europe and seen what I view as socialist governments, which I define as democratic govenments that tax a little bit but provide basic subsidies to the general population to ensure everyone has some of the basic needs are met for the most needy (i.e healthcare), which I think is compassionate. I see nothing wrong with that….but if taken to extremes, like anything it can be harmful. I think perhaps you are looking at the extremes. Capitalism taken to the extreme can lead to Fascism, which is just as evil as what Karl Marx created. Evil is evil by any name (greed, corruption, hate, revenge, etc). I think we should resist evil where ever it may come from and try to love and forgive our fellow man as God loves and forgives us, and treat people like we like to be treated. If there are Kennites among us, we should avoid them, and they can usually be identified by their (evil) behavior to include lack of compassion. Karl Marx was probably a Kennite. Thank you for your blog.
How can capitalism lead to fascism? Fascism is a movement towards totaliarism, which has only been done with socialist countries. Capitalist fascism is an oxymoron. All capitalism does is put emphasis on an individual’s personal liberty. As far as helping the poor goes, there are ways to remedy the situation but you will always have your poor. In the old jewish days, money that was donated to the poor went directly to the poor. Money didn’t go to a central authority figure intended to be stolen or given to allies under the guise of evening the playing field. The poor stay dependently poor while the rich stay rich. The reason nearly every nation on earth, including those you’ve mentioned, are going bankrupt is either socialism or quasi socialism. People here and even going back to the USSR of many years ago wanted to get the american people to want quasi socialism bit by bit to bankrupt this nation so one day after the collapse a full-blown marxist government would take its place.
This is an interesting discussion and at the risk of argueing over labels (which have different meanings to different people), I see by your reply, that our definitions do not converge, but to still try to answer your question how can capitilism lead to fascism, I will use for this discussion the definitions of fascism used by the orginal founders of the concept- the Italians led by Mussolini.
As outined in the “Doctrine of Fascism”, Mussolini in 1919 described fascism as a right-wing ideology that is opposed to many other political ideologies, including liberalism, socialism: communism and social democracy, parliamentary systems. According to the doctrine, fascist allowed private enterprise but contingent upon service to the nation,” (i.e. a controlled capitalism). By definition, Iraq under Sadam, and Egypt (under Mubarak) and Syria are fascist states. Fascism was founded after World War I by Italian nationalist and later adopted by Hitler in Germany. They took advandage of the social turmoil following WWI, were the economies were depressed and the communist were trying to get the masses, mostly unemployed or poorly paid workers to unite (revolt) against the (rich) big businesses (corporations). With the support of the corporations, which had power, but were fearful of losing it to the commies, they (the corporations) supported (and turned over power to) Mussolini and Hitler, who promised to restore civil order and protect their businesses. Once they took power, the coporations/businesses large and small had to do what they said. That is how capitism leads to fascism. Currently in this country, it could be argued that if the 99% occupy movement gains more momentum, and a strong Republican candidate, with backing from the big corporations/Wall Street, emerges – he or she, with support of a right wing supreme court and congress, can make themselves a virtual dictator, and wrest power and turn this county into a dictatorship of the right (as opposed to Stalin’s dictatorship of the left). It is all about power. That is what kennites want and they are greedy, and will lie, cheat, and decieve the masses, using whatever convient label (capitism, conservatism, socialism, corporatism, communism) to achieve power. It could be argued that Hitler, Mussolini, as well as Sadam, Idi Amin, Stalin, and most other dictators if not Kenittes were directed by Satan).
Which is exactly my point about the true intentions of socialism, which I’ve made many times at my site. To use the anxiety of the working class to threaten the haves, including corporations to play ball with the elite revolutionaries. Those who don’t play ball wind up killed or escaped. Once the haves and corporations get on the side of the elite revolutionaries, the elite revolutionaries clamp down on the very people who put them in power. Let’s not forget there is a huge difference between the right-wing of europe at the time and the right-wing of america of anytime. Italy, Germany, and the nations behind the Iron Curtain- those were all workers revolutions. They all followed the same gameplan, used the same people and the same words. “We, the have-nots far outnumber you haves.”
Lee, though it’s not likely, but as Christ came for all, born of woman, even Kenites (offspring of Satan), can be redeemed through His sacrifice, and resurrection.
I’m still lost as to where the bible teaches that the Serpent?snake? or whatever had sex with Eve…It clearly says in Gen 4:1 “Adam lay with his wife and she became pregnant and gave birth…To Cain” whose your daddy Cain? Please explain this…can’t even start to understand any of this other stuff before that question is answered. Thanks
While it says God told the serpent that his seed and the woman’s seed would have enmity towards each other, it doesn’t say she was told. It is written subtly that Eve had twins. Throughout the Bible when there are different births, the act of knowing is also separated. There wasn’t a separate act of knowing between the birth of Cain and Abel. When you add that with questions like:
Who were the seed of the serpent?
Who were the Kenites?
Why was Moses allowed to marry one? (Judges 1:16)
Who are those who say they are Jews but are not (Rev 2:9 3:9)
and the fact that Cain killed Abel, and was motivated in the same way God predicted to the serpent, this is the only explanation.
2/13/14 Someone just pointed out to me that the word “again” in Hebrew actually meant “continued”.
When GOD said serpent ( devil; deciever) is what it meant. The biting of the sacred fruit was literally eating, and eve was already preganant when Adam lay with her. Cain isn’t in Adam’s genealogy. He is not his son. There are 2 lines today. The Line of Seth and the Line of Cain; all people fall under one line-either or. 1st chronicles 2:55 shows that the Kenites became the scribes. Numbers 24:20 Balaam takes up a parable against Amalek (Edomites) and Kenites (Cain’s seed). Many of the so called Jewish people are Amalakites mixed with Hittites, Canaanites, Khazars, etc They are the AskeNAZI Jews. Genesis 10 says Ashkenaz (Germans) make up the isles of the gentiles. Esau took Hittite and Canaanite wives which he was forbidden to to.
I don’t believe in such a thing called Khazar Jews. Perhaps Khazar Jews religious wise, but not by blood. The Khazars only made the claim that they were descended from Kozar many generations later. You’re right about there being two lines from Seth and from Cain, because it’s plainly listed.
Cain isn’t mentioned in Adam’s genealogy in the book of Chronicles.
DEE….
Genesis 3:13
And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
The word beguiled here, translates as ‘:wholly seduced’, which is self explanatory.
Aren’t you forgetting that God destroyed all mankind in the flood except Noah and his sons? So how did the Kenites survive?
You’re misunderstanding who was on the ark. It is written that Noah put two of every kind on the ark, not two of every animal. People assume it says two of every animal (seven birds), but that isn’t what’s written. Obviously there are other races alive, so they must have come from somewhere. In the tale of Nimrod, it only says God divided the people and confounded the language. It doesn’t say God created different races. Again this was an assumption. If you look at why God divided the people, it’s because Nimrod was trying to make them all the same. If there was only one race, then why would God have to divide the people? These misunderstandings are based upon assumptions without reading things carefully.
Noah was directed to take two of every kind on the ark…..even the gentile races were included…PROOF…….We still have the gentile races,( 6th day creation) with us.
Thanks for your prompt reply. Peter said there were 8. 1Peter 3:20/ 2Peter 2:5
He had to mean eight Israelites. Things written in the Bible oftentimes are simply Jews speaking to other Jews, while discounting the Gentiles. The line of Cain has not been broken, because with Wisdom I have I figured out who those who say they are Jews but are liars are. Marx was one of these as Soros also is. I know what they are motivated by, their true intentions, how they’re able to be so convincing, and it’s all attributed to the characteristics of the serpent (Satan) and what God told the serpent in having enmity to the line of Adam. Besides, the other races came from somewhere. God didn’t just change their skin color.
2/13/14 According to the Hebrew, (Judges 4:11 for instance), Cain and Kenites are one so they must have survived the flood.
Eight Adamic souls…Those that were important to the advent of the messiah.
alot of what your saying is correct…..but…..Moses father in law was not a kenite by blood but by geographical location,,,,,Keturah was not a kenite either.
some people that study the subject have trouble understanding where exactly the Bible gives definitive proof that the kenites remained in the Priesthood after the purges of Nehemiah and Ezra…..there are several places in Scripture which prove this Historical point…..one being in the Book of Ezra…..where the lineages of those who remained amoung Judah and the Priesthood are given,
the nethenim waterhaulers (kenites of Chron 2:55) had babylonian names,,,,,their names are not given in Hebrew but in babylonian and this is further evidence that the Priesthood was not fully purged of unpure Israelite (Judah) blood.
How can he be known as a Kenite by geographical location when Kenites were nomadic, no land was named “Keniteland”, and Moses’ father-in-law lived in Midian and would be known as a Midianite by geographical location?
If Moses father in law Jethro was a Kenite by blood his daughters would not have been kicked out from the well to the others could feed there animals like they were every other day, when Moses met his wife at the well he stopped this from happening,
Exodus 2:16-22 KJV
[16] Now the priest of Midian had seven daughters: and they came and drew water, and filled the troughs to water their father’s flock. [17] And the shepherds came and drove them away: but Moses stood up and helped them, and watered their flock. [18] And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day? [19] And they said, An Egyptian delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and also drew water enough for us, and watered the flock. [20] And he said unto his daughters, And where is he? why is it that ye have left the man? call him, that he may eat bread. [21] And Moses was content to dwell with the man: and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter. [22] And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom: for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land.
Reuel, was Moses father in law, his title was Jethro and he was a Midian priest,
Exodus 3,1 kJV
Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
Exodus 18:1-27 KJV
[1] … When Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses’ father in law, heard of all that God had done for Moses, and for Israel his people, and that the Lord had brought Israel out of Egypt; [2] Then Jethro, Moses’ father in law, took Zipporah, Moses’ wife, after he had sent her back, [3] And her two sons; of which the name of the one was Gershom; for he said, I have been an alien in a strange land: [4] And the name of the other was Eliezer; for the God of my father, said he, was mine help, and delivered me from the sword of Pharaoh: [5] And Jethro, Moses’ father in law, came with his sons and his wife unto Moses into the wilderness, where he encamped at the mount of God: [6] And he said unto Moses, I thy father in law Jethro am come unto thee, and thy wife, and her two sons with her. [7] And Moses went out to meet his father in law, and did obeisance, and kissed him; and they asked each other of their welfare; and they came into the tent. [8] And Moses told his father in law all that the Lord had done unto Pharaoh and to the Egyptians for Israel’s sake, and all the travail that had come upon them by the way, and how the Lord delivered them. [9] And Jethro rejoiced for all the goodness which the Lord had done to Israel, whom he had delivered out of the hand of the Egyptians. [10] And Jethro said, Blessed be the Lord , who hath delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of Pharaoh, who hath delivered the people from under the hand of the Egyptians. [11] Now I know that the Lord is greater than all gods: for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them. [12] And Jethro, Moses’ father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses’ father in law before God. [13] And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening. [14] And when Moses’ father in law saw all that he did to the people, he said, What is this thing that thou doest to the people? why sittest thou thyself alone, and all the people stand by thee from morning unto even? [15] And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God: [16] When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws. [17] And Moses’ father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest is not good. [18] Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone. [19] Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God: [20] And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do. [21] Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens: [22] And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee. [23] If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so , then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace. [24] So Moses hearkened to the voice of his father in law, and did all that he had said. [25] And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens. [26] And they judged the people at all seasons: the hard causes they brought unto Moses, but every small matter they judged themselves. [27] And Moses let his father in law depart; and he went his way into his own land.
Exodus 18 Moses father in law, instructs Moses what to do because he knew what to do why because he is a man of God, and Moses listens to him.
Genesis 25:1-2 KJV
[1] … Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah. [2] And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah.
Abraham’s second second wife Keturah, had a child called Midian, Moses father in law was a Midian priest.
Numbers 10:29-36 KJV
[29] And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel the Midianite, Moses’ father in law, We are journeying unto the place of which the Lord said, I will give it you: come thou with us, and we will do thee good: for the Lord hath spoken good concerning Israel. [30] And he said unto him, I will not go; but I will depart to mine own land, and to my kindred. [31] And he said, Leave us not, I pray thee; forasmuch as thou knowest how we are to encamp in the wilderness, and thou mayest be to us instead of eyes. [32] And it shall be, if thou go with us, yea, it shall be, that what goodness the Lord shall do unto us, the same will we do unto thee. [33] And they departed from the mount of the Lord three days’ journey: and the ark of the covenant of the Lord went before them in the three days’ journey, to search out a resting place for them. [34] And the cloud of the Lord was upon them by day, when they went out of the camp. [35] And it came to pass, when the ark set forward, that Moses said, Rise up, Lord , and let thine enemies be scattered; and let them that hate thee flee before thee. [36] And when it rested, he said, Return, O Lord, unto the many thousands of Israel.
Moses father in law Jethro, Reuel, was a Midianite priest like I pointed out above and he was going back to Midian where he kindred was the Midians, the Kenites lived in the same land as the Midians.
Judges 1:16 KJV
And the children of the Kenite, Moses’ father in law, went up out of the city of palm trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah, which lieth in the south of Arad; and they went and dwelt among the people.
Judges 4:11 KJV
Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.
severed himself from the Kenites, now if Jethro was an accepted Kenite his daughters would not have been shunned from the well to feed there flock they would have been accepted just as all the other Kenites, the Midian and Kenite territory to the south of Judah over lapped each other Reuel, Jethro was a Midian priest, through Keturah Abrahams second wife which would mean he is a decendant of Abraham, and not a Kenite.
You mentioned Revelation 3:10 in a response to one person, the hour of temptation does not mean rapture or catching away of the church, there is only one marriage to the lamb Jesus Christ God himself in the flesh.
What makes you think that one had to be a descendant of Abraham to be a priest? There are a lot of comments that suggest this, but not one of you mention Melchizidek, who also was a priest and king of Salem. He was an ally of Abraham who could not be his descendant, so how can Melchizidek possibly be a priest using your logic?
Midian was also a territory, of which some of the Kenites lived in. Not one of you has explained how a person can be named a Kenite for the area they lived in when no land is named after them. All of you bring up this reverse logic that he was a Midianite by blood, so he couldn’t be a Kenite except for the area he lived in. It can only be the other way around. One can be a Midianite by area, but one can only be a Kenite by blood. I am done discussing this topic because none of you consider this definitive truth. Show me Keniteland. I beg you, show me Keniteland. Kenites were nomadic, so there was no land named after them. Your example of Judges 4:11 was mistranslated, which I already pointed out here.
Revelation 3:10, Jesus said “I will keep you from the HOUR of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell on the earth.” You can ignore “hour” all you want, but He said it. If the hour was not crucial to the meaning, then He wouldn’t have said it. He could have said “I will keep you from the temptation, which shall come upon all the earth…”, but He didn’t. I see that, as well as what He said of the elect being gathered by God’s angels and the time being shortened for their sake, then I fully understand the hour He spoke of in Revelation 3:10. Who said this in Rev. 3:10 is a marriage? I didn’t. The marriage is when those who are righteous are joined with Him on earth and the ceremony comes. That’s the wedding. It does say “the dead in Christ shall rise first”, which means those who are dead that are with Christ will be redeemed first. They are the first given their incorruptible flesh.
The reason I found this blog was because I was searching for a possible connection between The Kenites and Muslims. I have long known about Cain and Kenites. As I landed here and read, I have to make note; some of your description of Christian haters, Jew haters, and at enmity with the true God of the Bible. And, Arabs technically are Semites, aren’t they? Even though we daily hear Muslim leaders all over the globe crying out against the Jews. As you suggest, not all Kenites may be haters (paraphrasing). Is this not the ‘politically correct’ refrain we constantly hear- about Islam: “the religion of peace” while every where you look innocents are being slaughtered in this religion’s name? I couldn’t fully read all posts, so forgive me if I have missed something similar as this, but I’d like to read your thoughts concerning this assertion.
It depends on what you consider a Semite to be. What is commonly termed as “semitic” is the region where semitic languages have been spoken, which in case would include Arabs. A real Semite by blood origin means “of Shem”, which would not include Arabs. If you look through more of my site, you will see I’m not politically correct. What I said about Kenites is true. Not all Kenites are evil, but they have that evil gene in them. It’s a bit like a child being born to wicked parents. They are predisposed to being wicked because how they were raised, but who knows how many actually follow in their parents’ footsteps? I did purposely put this in the blog for future’s sake. At some point people will become wise to the Kenites, but I’m afraid people might want to take things in their own hands and commit violence on these people, not to mention innocent Jews that might be mistaken as Kenites. I do fear this.
Yeah there are many people from the line of Shem. The Arabs (Ishamelites) The Edomites ( so called whites) the Amalekites, The Moabites, Ammonites, etc all come from Shem
Eight ‘ADAMIC’ people. I call them the original Hebrews.
They were no hebrews yet, just adamic.
I would think that most Kenites do not know their heritage to the depth , that would expose the ‘Cain’ connection, but think of themselves as JEWS.
No, they do, most of the kenites knows who their father is and they are very faithfull.
How would they know?
Interesting. On further review I saw that ‘Shem’ as you mentioned was son of Noah, and Cannan was his ‘cursed’ nephew. By that assessment, it was stated that those were enemies of the Semites (it seems that many races/cultures could fall into a technical Semite category) which came to be more identified by language (Hebrew speaking) than origin. That may explain why, in today’s common parlance- especially mass media, that we hear “anti-semitic”, being almost always applied to Jews. Thanks for sharing this study into the truth of the Kenites. I anticipate learning much more and sharing with others, as well!
I do not understand here all of this misconception of who the “jews” are. Let me explain , ” The jews are not Israel” . Not in the scripture, not today either. Have any of you ever took the time to study the hebrew lexicon/ greek lexicon and concordance. Let me give to you some starting points on this subject. Go to the strongs hebrew lexicon and look up these words :yehud#3055,yehuwd#3061yehuwdah#3063,yehudiyah#3057,yehuwdiy#3064,yahad #3054,yehoodawee#3062,yehhodeeth#3067,dath#1881 and then go to greek lexicon and look up idudaios#2454, ioudaismos#2453. After doing this there should be no confusion as to who the “jews” are no meaning Israel. The word”yehoodawee#3062 is the word that would mean of the tribe of Judah and that would be Israel. But when you read the texts you will soon find that the word just mentioned is NEVER where the word JEW appears in the english translation or original hebrew or greek texts. While you are at it you can look up a few other words like jehovah#3068/je/jah#3050 but first look up eliyah#452 and note definition. You now will find that jehovah and yhwh are the jewish names for the deity known as baal and not the creator as you most likely believe and have been taught. Satan is a deceiver guys. Keep studying and bless you all. Jeff
Let me clue you in on something: the word ” Jew(s)” was an umbrella term many times for all of the tribes of Israel, which I have explained in “Those Who Hate Jews pt 2”. I know about “yehudah”. The proof of my assertion is in Revelation 2:9, 3:9 where Jesus spoke about those who say they are Jews but are not. Who is going to say after two thousand years and being spread all around the Earth that they are not only an Israelite, but of a specific tribe?
Are you accusing me of hating jews ,sir? You have no basis for that. As for your claim though, give me a verse please.
I am still waiting sir.
The word in those two verses is Idudaios. Meaning resident of judah/judea. Not israelite from tribe of judah. You can not deceive on this when the truth is available to all who seek it. Try again , sir.
Answer my question: who is going to say after 2000 years and being dispersed throughout the world that they are not only an Israelite, but from a specific tribe? I didn’t accuse you of hating Jews. I gave you a reference. As far as the “I’m still waiting” message, believe it or not, I do have things to do so I can’t reply to everything within five minutes. Did I really have you waiting? Didn’t I reply well within 24hrs? If you were attempting to show that you had me beaten and were being a jerk, it’s best you move on. I won’t waste my time or patience with you.
Only 2 Tribes are Jews (Judeans) Judah and Benjmain, that’s it. The Levites are the Priestly tribe. There is a difference between Judah and Israel they are not the same. The Kingdom of Judah is ruled by the royal line of Pharez which is the line that David, Solonom, Hezekiah, Josiah, JESUS CHRIST, etc comes from. The Northern Kingdom of Israel isn’t ruled by the line of David. They are Israelites, but the Israelites in the Southern Kingdom separated themselves from there Northern Brothers all called themselves Jews a.k.a those that live in the Land of Judah/Judea.
You can answer my question too.
When you say Jews I hope you aren’t referring to the Guys in Israel today are in Britian today. They are not the people. The real Jews were and are dark skin. Amos 9:7 “Are not ye as Ethiopians to me” Genesis 49 gives the clues and the curses in Deuteronomy. Ask your self this what people you know went into slavery on ships (Deuteronomy 28:68) and had yokes of iron put around their necks (Deuteronomy 28:48)
Adam in Hebrew means “ruddy complected”, not “dark skin”. I’ll leave it at that.
Exodus 4:6 6) And the LORD said furthermore to him, Put now your hand into your bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow. 7) And he said, Put your hand into your bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh.
If you think the people in the land of Canaan (Israel) are the Southern Kingdom of Judah, then you are fooled, because you keep saying Jews so who are you referring too?
IOTHaCUR…The mystery of the End time connection of the Jews to the Christian Revelation, has not been made apparent, to me anyway, but i know that you are are at risk of losing your mind as well as your soul. It is my humble opinion that you are paired with a hateful, demonic spirit. Though, I could be wrong…You may just be mean and stupid. Sorry Jesse, i could not help myself.
Exactly my point. Who is or can? I can not tell you who is israel physically but we certainly can tell who is not. As to the post by modest. I would have to agree with you about the seperation of the northern and southern division at least according to the texts. One must remember though that all and MOST of the people living in the area of Judah / Judea were not of these two tribes. Even the rulers were not. One must remember that the texts do not claim anywhere that the so called jews are the chosen . This supremist ideology was added about 200 bce , the period not covered in the KJV bible as there are about 400 years in between the OT and NT. Much happened during this period of time that needs to be taken into consideration to understand these subjects. To Mr. Norman, I speak to you with respect but you seem very uptight and vile towards me and my post. Look, you probably have much good info here. I have not looked around so I do not know. I was only commenting on what I read on this page and following posts. I do not hate jews or so called jews but I do reject the religion known as Judaism. I read much sacred texts of many different religions. Judaism is very dangerous. I do not like so called christians though who do not understand their own belief because they are too busy entertaining themselves to study it(or whatever they are doing). “I like your Christ. i do not like your Christians” Mohatma Ghandi. Bless all and peace to all. Please seek truth, it is out there.
How is that exactly your point when no one is going to say they are from a specific tribe after what happened to the Israelites when in the original Greek one was given? I have studied a Strong’s for 15 years, so I knew all of those references which go back to the Hebrew “yehudah”. The NT Greek word is the Greek version of Yehudah.
Let me get this straight- you believe that Satan corrupted the word YHWH/Yehovah even though the definition isn’t anywhere near Satanic? I know about Elohiym/Elowahh. How are they so contradictive to you?
Here’s another puzzling one: you are against Judaism but are a Christian? How is that even possible? Without Judaism there would be no Christianity. Jesus (Y’shua) fulfilled OT prophecies, namely the most vital Psalm 22. So a book that would predict and eventually prove that Jesus was the Messiah was corrupted by Satan???
That interpretation of yours does not coincide with definition in greek lexicon Mr. jesse. Me thinks you should use concordance more often and quite hanging around christian zionists also known as stupid. As far as the jewish national god known as jehova /yhwh maybe look at sh#1180 and you will see that it is a canaanite/ phonecian deity known as baal. You seem to be rather ignorant of what you are reading. Stop hanging around with john hagee like people and study the lexicon BEFRORE READINGcripture. Then refresh yourself as you study the scripture itself. This will help you to understand what you are reading. I think you miss much of the message. It also sounds as if you are a judaizer. Contrary to what your post states, Christianity is diametrically opposed to that religion. It formed out of rejection to judaism. I think you know not what you worship. Salvation is not of the “jews”, it is of the grace of God(not jehovah) through Jesus Christ according to what scripture says anyway. You are very confused .
Me thinks you couldnt be more miseducated and you should just stay within your Jew-hating crowd because I will approve no more of your comments. You’re not one to have rational discussions with. The “zionist” thing explains everything I need to know about you. I can prove that you’re so far on the wrong side of God but I won’t because I’ve done it already on my site several times so I won’t retype it anymore. Keep up your Jew-hatred, or whatever you call it, but do it elsewhere….. and you mock me…. unbelievable.
The Jews aren’t even in the Land of Israel right now. The real Jews went into slavery on ships. Deuteronomy 28:68 and they had yokes of iron put around their necks. Deuteronomy 28:68.
Deuteronomy 28:48
Oh, and 2453 “belonging to jehudah, judean”. Keep hanging out with David Duke.
The word Jews has 3 meanings: it means from the Tribe of Judah, one who lives in the land of Judea ( a Judean) and one who lives strictly after the Lw of Moses
All the children of israel are Israelits. Going Back to the 12 tribes of Israel, who was Abraham, Rember God changed his name to Israel. The jews are from the tribe of there father Judah.
I’m with you on this one, Jesse…The entire O.T. is a story of God’s nurturing of the Adamic bloodline to bring the Messiah to us. Without Israel we could not have Yeshua, or His saving grace. The LORD’s plan is perfect, and complete.
Numbers 12:10 Miriam got turned white (Leprous) for speaking against Moses. 2 Kings 5:27 Gehazi got turned white (leprous) too.
Not to be insulting, but these examples are silly to bring up. So people became caucasian to punish them? Where does it say they were white outside of just being sick? Where does it say that their descendants were also white? Adam means “ruddy complected”. God didn’t change anyone’s race.
There are many white tribes in the bible: The Edomites, Amalekites, the Kenites all the Canaanite nations, the Romans, etc were all different white tribes or what we would call white today.
But the lies of your forefathers have blinded you to simple truths, and it’s hard when you have been told lies all your life to accept truth. Miriam got turned white, and Gehazi did too.
Just a quick note, Moses’s father in law and wife WERE NOT Kenites. He was a medianite priest and a Son of Abraham living IN THE LAND OF the Kenites.
I have to say I’m sick of having to explain this time and time again. Moses’ father-in-law lived in Midian, which would make him a MIDIANITE by geographical location. Kenites were nomadic so there was no land called “Keniteland”.
“Jesus in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 spoke about people who say they are Judahites(not the made up term jews), but are not. He called them liars. Even though there really is no way to know for sure, if anyone speaks factually about something and they’re wrong about it, that makes them a liar in Jesus’ eyes”.
This exposes you as a liar also.
Judeo/Christian is a oxymorn, complete opposites,
you are either jewdazed or another of many decievers.
Hitler and Mussolini have no place in this discussion, they were Christians dedicated to eliminating usury and blshevism. You are only parroting what these jews have molded into your mind.
You have a monopoly on stupidity.
@Northpal:
http://www.answers.org/history/hitquote.html
…or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler's_Table_Talk
Just a bit of insight into Hitler’s actual view of traditional Christianity, when he wasn’t speaking out of both sides of his mouth for political expediency.
He did that a lot until he didn’t have to anymore.
Joseph,
Finally someone on this blog with understanding. I wish the original article contained some. Today’s Jews aren’t Israelites, except for some cross mixing with the tribe of Judah long ago. Edomite/Khazarian/Kenite blood is their primary lineage.
Ahhh you Jew-haters crack me up. Riddle me this: in the book of Esther Benjamites were clearly described as being Jews (the original word being yehudiy). How do you explain that? Perhaps Haman only wanted to kill the tribe of Judah while letting the other Israelites be. You’re right. I have no sense at all. Northpal-Northeden…. hmm.
Joseph…….Spoken like a true NAZI….sieg Heil?
Christ died to redeem everyone and the whole world. That would mean even the Jews you hate. How can hatred of anyone be of the kingdom of Jesus Christ? If you think that white supremacist have the market cornered on heaven you are going to be in for a shock about a split second after taking your last breath!
Well said.
kenites and muslims the same people!!!
No they’re not.
Jesse don’t waste your time arguing with these people. Their father is Satan who loves to argue and quote scripture. The father of liars. Keep doing what our father in heaven has called you to.
That’s exaxtly what I’m going to do. I do want people to learn and I’m also hoping those who don’t hate Jews will have something to counter people they run into as well. This is why I am referring to this page I wrote recently in a few places. It’s the end-all, be-all post. Now I have no need to argue or even approve the ramblings of Jew-haters. Thanks for the advice. God bless.
God said he would bless those who bless Israel. They are God’s chosen people. Jesus was a jew. How can people profess to love Jesus and hate the jewish people?
Fools will find a way. Well said.
CJG….the muslims aren’t Kenites, though, I would bet there are some who have the blood, supplying them with arms.
Kenites are always where there is power to accrue and money to be made.
And the Kenites were not destroyed by the deluge in Noah’s day? Come on now…
Wouldn’t you say that Christ’s death, burial and resurrection was sufficient for sin atonement?
This imposter didn’t think so, “..and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions…” Col 1:24
The testimony of one is not valid. Jn 5: 31; Deut 19:15
Noah was told to gather together two of every kind, not two of every animal. We just assume it says two of every beast. If it was two of every beast, it would have been written that way. There are black people, aren’t there? How did they survive the flood?
Christ’s death and resurrection doesn’t prevent sin from happening. The book of Revelation, Jesus’ predictions, as well as the prophetical books of the OT are full of certain groups of people committing sins and are destined to come to pass. Is this not written? Certain nations are destined to go after Christians and Jews. These things will happen as they are written, but it will be up to individuals to fulfill the Word.
I am not the only one.
Jesse, I like your efforts and will pass the links on…..don’t stop, ever. Smyrna and Philadelphia. taught the truth about these subjects……
• I know you are right about the Kenites and who they are. However Jethro was not a Kenite. The reason Moses had to defend his daughters at the well was because the Kenites were harassing them, preventing them from watering their flocks. Not because they were women, but because they and their father were followers of God. One can live in a land such as America, be an American but their family came from Germany. Jethro was called a Midianite only because he lived in Midian. Kenites also lived there.
• The Blood line of Christ is pure and contains no Kenite DNA.
But there was no land named after Kenites. How can he be known as a Kenite because of the area he lived in? Moses isn’t from the same line as Christ. Moses was from the tribe of Levi and Jesus was from the tribe of Judah. Just because one is a Kenite doesn’t mean they are destined to be like their father. They just have the same traits and tendencies. There are God created souls within them. It’s up to them to live that way or not. We all have our tendencies through dna or upbringing, but that doesn’t set our lives on a path of destiny.
Yes, the way I understand it, Jethro was a descendent of Abraham.
Exactly…Michael Hilbert!!!
An interesting work of fiction. I hope you got a good grade in you Creative Writing class.
Basically, anyone you don’t like or approve of in history is a “Kenite”? Which theologians and biblical scholars, who have devoted decades to studying scripture, support your argument? Or are you, alone, some kind of prophet and everyone who disagrees with your nonsense a Kenite?
I should have stopped reading when I saw you think Eve had sex with a snake. This is fantasy stuff.
I didn’t just call anyone in history a Kenite. So you think the serpent was a real snake even though twice John referred to Satan as “that old serpent” in Revelation? Who are the seeds of the serpent? Did God tell a snake that his seed and the woman’s seed would have enmity towards eachother? How would a snake’s head be bruised and how would a snake bruise the heel of the seed of the woman? Isn’t that fantasy stuff?
LIZ…Eve was “wholly seduced” by a supernatural being, a beautiful, seductive, evil being named Satan; also called serpent or dragon. Ever heard of Nephilim or the Geber? I can tell you are a biblical neophyte, and though I applaud you enthusiasm, I hope you continue to dig.
Hello, for the most part I agree with your site. Good job identifying these rascals. Jesus was 1/2 Levitical Priest and 1/2 Judah after the order of Melchizedek. Mary’s mother was of the Levites and her dad was of Judah. Also, my understanding of the 5 month period was it is the last 5 months BEFORE the 7th Trump. At the 7th trump we start the millennium. No need for a 5 months after that. Chronologically the 6th trump has not even sounded yet. Rev. 9. Also, you have made comment about being concerned with people wanting to hurt these people. I would sugggest (if you haven’t already) to refer the people to the parable of the tares. Jesus said not to hurt them or do anything to them (didn’t say you couldn’t expose them – they hate that!) Come to think of it, you did say something about that. Looking forward to reading more of your site. Keep up the great work you are doing in exposing these tares. I only read what you wrote in 2010,11. Today’s articles should be really good! Soros had been a busy boy.
I have to disagree that the seventh trump begins the next millennium because it is written that the sounding of the last trump would finish the mystery of God. There would have to be a period of time afterward since there will be an hour of temptation. The whole world will be tormented by the nephilim for five months. That must be the hour of temptation.
I have written about such people throughout my site. I have also pointed out the plague of the black horse not hurting certain people. Oil and wine aren’t actual oil and wine. 1st Chr. 16:22 and Psalm 105:15 explain this as well. Thanks for the compliment.
Jesse. At the seventh trump we lose our physical identification, and enter the LORD’s day, as spiritual beings. The elect will ‘teach’ the unsaved, to prepare them for the ‘hour of Temptation’ that occurs at the end of the LORD’s day (the millenium). A day with the LORD is a thousand years with us.
Remember… the antichrist comes “peacefully and prosperously”….this is the reason all the world worships(loves) him.
You can see patterns starting to form with the welfare state, and the global socialist push….”We will take care of you…You will have no worries.”
Then, it will be when the Elect are delivered up….But they have the ‘Gospel armor’, and won’t be harmed. Not even a hair on their heads!
Only the radical political types are hurt in the end. That is not us.
Bless you girl….You have it the way I understand….can’t pluck the tares without hurting others…not our job anyway.
What u talking about ? Kenites were descendants of Jethro of Midian son of Abraham!
Show me where Jethro was from Abraham. In Genesis 15:18-19, Abram (Abraham) was promised land that belonged to Kenites which proves Kenites were around before Abraham.
I have stayed up all night starting with researching the Curse of Canaan which led to who Cain’s father really was and finally to who the Kenites are. Couldn’t stop reading! Fascinating! I will definitely check back to your site because what you say is Truth as I know it!! Good night. 🙂
Thank you. That’s what I’m here to do. The GREAT Bible is a most cavernous book. It doesn’t matter how deep you go, there will always be new things to find.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God,a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 11Timothy 2:15………..I am the way the truth and the life. Christ is LORD
SINCERE QUESTION: I am following you so far, up to how the descendants of Cain would have survived the Flood. If all flesh perished except for Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives, and of course the animals, then how would Cains descendants have had any connection to, or interaction with, the Jews. Most of what you’ve written makes complete and total sense. I just need help in making this step in logic.
Thank you in advance,
John
It is written that two of every kind of unclean and seven pairs of every kind that is clean was put on the ark. The Hebrew word for kind really meant ‘flesh’. As it shows in the mistranslations of Judges 4:11, the Kenites do come from Cain so that had to have survived it somehow. I recommend reading my posts “How Did Noah Fit All the Animals on the Ark” and “The Definitive Work on Kenites, Cain, and the Seed of Satan”. “The Definitive Work…” is even more infoative and convincing than this post with some more enlightening information. Hope this answers your question well enough. If you have more, let me know. God bless.
sounds like someone with understanding of the 3 earth ages
keep up the studies of the hebrew text
I wanted to comment on Numbers 24:21-22 and when you said: “This proves that Kenites were of the line of Cain and that despite this being after the flood of Noah, that the line of Cain never broke.”
You are right, the line was never broken. If you look at the word “nest” in numbers 24:21 it means:
1.nest
a.nest (of bird) or
b.cells (like nests in Noah’s ark)
YHWH was not speaking of a literal bird nest, he was speaking of the cells, translated as “rooms”, in Genesis 6:14. The Kenites were in the ark with Noah. They would have been among the various unclean beasts of Gen 6:19 and Gen 7:2.
I don’t believe Soros is your man. I believe Vladimir Putin is the beast and the false prophet is Pope Francis. The name Vladimir means “universal ruler” and the word Catholic means “universal”. Just recently he visited the pope and one of the things that transpired had to do with the Lady of Vladimir icon, the article said: “As the pope was moving away from the gift table, Putin was overheard asking him, “Do you like the icon?” When the pope said yes, Putin made the sign of the cross, bowed and kissed the icon and the pope did likewise.” It’s quite possible that this icon is the very one that will be set up in Jerusalem by via the false prophet/pope. The false vision at Fatima “warned the three seers that if people did not stop offending God, He would punish the world “by means of war, hunger and persecution of the Church and of the Holy Father,” using Russia as His chosen instrument of chastisement. She told the children that “to prevent this, I shall come to ask for the Consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart” and promised that, by this single public act, Russia would be converted and PEACE would be given to the world.”
Interestingly enough, there is no information about where the name “Putin” originated. Putin came up out of obscurity, much like Obama. You can read more about it at the third link I provided.
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1304974.htm
http://www.fatima.org/essentials/facts/consecra.asp
http://english.pravda.ru/business/finance/05-11-2002/1528-putin-0/
Thanks for the input, but Putin cannot be the beast. According to Daniel 2 and 7, the Antichrist must come from Spain or Portugal. The fourth kingdom which reforms was the Roman Empire, so it would have to be a reformation of the RE. If the time is now, and I know it’s just about here, the reformed Roman Empire has to be the EU. The eleventh nation to join was Spain Portugal. Most likely from other things written and where much of the power of the EU lies, it will be Spain. Plus Putin’s name doesn’t fix the 6-6-6 number- six letters in his first, middle, and last name. As far as Pope Francis goes, I have my eye on him as well. I wrote a post a while back, but erased it because I thought it was too divisive to do the greater good. It was about St. Malachy’s prediction of the last pope. Of the list he gave, this is the last pope. Given Jesus’ warning to the church of Ephesus which fits very well with the Catholic church, and some of the things Pope Francis has been saying about social justice and homosexuality, it is wise to keep a close eye on him.
anyone smart enough to know what a kenite is should know that
666 is the 6th seal 6th trump 6th vial
So, “the number of his name” means nothing to you?
his name is satan or Lucifer or dragon or snake or whatever of the many names he has
he gets kicked out of heaven , comes to earth as himself, not taking over the body of anyone,
he will say he is Christ, comes in peace and prosperity, a beautiful archangel, made from the full
pattern, he will be in his spiritual body, performing miricles, and most of the world will believe him.
our spiritual bodys look exactly like our physical bodies
What you say about the Greek numbers is partly true, but going backwards isn’t necessary since the KJV puts it in the order it would be if it was going right to left. Only in one of the early manuscripts did they have a different writing of the number, trying to make Nero out as the Antichrist. Nero is long dead and can’t be the Antichrist. Outside of a few instances, the word “number” in the entire NT was “αριθμός” (arithmos) in Greek.
A true follower of Christ stands firm on a spiritual platform, and uses a discerning spirit when scriptures are challenged. Do not lean on your own understanding. Pray for wisdom, and edification while seeking counsel from God. Also, seek out brothers/sisters in Christ who are humbled, and filled with the spirit of God before coming to conclusions. There are statements in this post that are true, and false, therefore creating confusion, which is not of our Lord. Our God is not a God of confusion.
What did I get wrong and where is the confusion I put forth?
We must respect God, and remember the Jewish people are his chosen people. When the Jews left Egypt, the Kenites helped the Jewish people along the way. There is nothing to great for our Lord, and nothing is unknown to him. Everything that occurred in scriptures happened for a reason. The Kenites found favor in the eyes of the Lord because of Moses and his time spent in Midian. I don’t feel within my spirit the Kenites be compared to Satan. Before Saul attacked the Amalek people, the Kenites were asked to leave that area before the arrival of the Israelite army. Saul did not want them harmed. You see no where in scripture does it mention conflicts between the Israelites and the Kenites. It’s best to seek out biblical studies, and ask the Lord for answers. This is not an argument charged against you… this is a reminder that we must use discernment. But web pages such as these do force us to open and read scriptures. God has his plans.
Well spoken, which is why I wrote “The Definitive Work On Kenites, Cain, And the Seed of Satan”. In that post, I make sure to point out the righteous deeds Kenites have done in the Bible, and I was careful in this post to point out that not all Kenites are evil. I even said most of them were not. Using the scriptures, I conclusively point out in “The Definitive Work…” that Cain was of Satan and the Kenites were of Cain. I recommend it. You were right about the example you used with Saul as well. My main focus on writing about Kenites is to show if they give in to evil, these would be their tendencies. I also agree God has things well in hand and will use even evil people to bring about His plan. As I said in that post I recommended (I believe there is a link to it on this post), only God can create a soul. Whatever flesh one may be put in, the soul was from God. God bless, friend.
That is a really good tip particularly to those new to
the blogosphere. Simple but very accurate information… Thank you for sharing this one.
A must read post!
Thank you. I do recommend “The Definitive Work…”, though. It’s a better post.
OH BUT the things that are lied about in the schools is what those ppl that mock God , for instance? well first of all, the singlatary of an explosion that created all thing here on earth. They claim that the creation of everything in the universe was from a big bang= what does that mean? well, the way i understand it to mean is that there was a single point , one single point (singlarity) explosion. I am thinking a single point explosion? how? isnt there to be two chemicals to form an reaction ? in this case , gas . ok hydrogen gas, and what else caused the reaction of an explosion? dust? gas and dust. I just recently read an article where now the scientist say everything that was made in the entire universe was the result from gas and dust . ( God created Man from the dust and breathed in his nose and man was quickened <– quickened means made alive)
well, hmmm .. thats what they are saying now. but the big bang . there was only one point hence single, that caused an explosion the ultimately created everything. animals, water, ground, food, people, buildings, caves, dogs , cats, planets, moons. suns, math, etc,, 'EVERYTHING' . OK .. but how did a single point explode? dont you need 2 things to get a reaction like an explosion? I looked it up and
http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemicalreactions/a/reactiontypes.htm
here it speaks of a single displacement of a reaction, but as you read further it list there being two chemicals at the beginning of the single displacement or substitution Reaction, but nonethless there are two different chemicals needed for a reaction or more than two.
Single Displacement or Substitution Reaction
A substitution or single displacement reaction is characterized by one element being displaced from a compound by another element.
A + BC ? AC + B
An example of a substitution reaction occurs when zinc combines with hydrochloric acid. The zinc replaces the hydrogen:
Zn + 2 HCl ? ZnCl2 + H2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_reaction
A chemical reaction is a process that leads to the transformation of one set of chemical substances to another.
wiki again makes it clear that in order to have a chemical reaction you must have one set to another set
meaning for any reaction to happen you would need more than one single point explosion.
When i think of explosion i think about there must have been a reaction to cause the explosion and yet the big bang that is taught in schools only one single point made that explosion( you could say that the reaction happened between gas and some source of heat to cause a reaction, but remember during that big bang the sun was not in existance yet) that in turn everything magically came into exsitence. this just does not make sense whatsoever. But those of us that believe that there is an intelligent God creating everything are senseless and uneducated. then you have others that tell people this earth is only 6000 years old, and that is nonsense as well.
anyways, the big bang single point explosion makes much more sense. NO wait..
Lets look at it like this. There were many times explosions on earth . Either man induced or natural like a volcano explosion, has there ever been an explosion that created people? or plants? animals? suns? moons? no i have not seen this happen. The only thing that I see a explosion create, is destruction, destruction can not make plants people or planets, but this is what most people are brainwashed in school as to what made creation. ok. so the big bang created everything living so it must also have created evolution, a theory .. Its only a theory. survival of the fittest, not even Darwin believed HIS own theory, he believed in GOD. Darwin believed in GOD he wasnt an atheist at all. In fact , not many people were during that time period. i could list a series of things that I believe in but this is about trying to make sense of the nonesensicle pile of dung single point explosion creating everything.
if anyone gets all upset . tough cookies. que sera sera thats the way the cookie crumbles.
And now everyone thinks that the global warming is viable. Its a lie people. I guess i was the only person in the world that remembers watching a special on a public broadcasting service, about how "they" are getting rid of highly toxic and heat capable chemicals from Nuclear Plants being buriedor stacked up at the polar ice caps. I remember that show, and it was way before Quale thought up global warming to rip off money from well intentioned, ignorant (not knowing) people that believes that politicians and puts all their trust into a man. Instead of God. its a crying shame that people spread lies so easily and the public gobbles it all up. WOW, man! People much rather believe in fairy tales then to God and study his word.
There are so many false doctrines and false religions, and false prophets (teachers) that really have no clue to what the God truth is. Thankfully , there are some, not many but some and there are still some of Gods True People that have spiritual eyes to see and ears to hear HIM as he meant it to be. One last comment , Do you know where Jesus was born? In bethelhem, that is where? what location is that?
Middle East, ok, now do you know that apples do not grow in the Middle East. Arent you aware of that little piece of knowledge? Are you also aware of the fact that the Garden of Eden was like iran or iraq? i think i am remembering correctly. Apples never grew in the middle east, figs do though. Adam and Eve didnt make fig leaf aprons to cover their mouths as if they had just eaten an nonexistant fruit in the Middle East, they covered what? I think you know that answer. But i am not writing this about God , just bringing up that most of the educated people of the world believes a lie, the big bang. This is truly amazing to me and the other educated people of Christian Nations and the Nethinims have made Christ a scorned word.
Let me suppose for a moment, a great parallel in reality. Once upon a time there were two people from China, and they had a son in Texas, his name was Hilow, and he was a Texan, by (geography-location). But then he is also Chinese by race. Some races are easily distinguishable by sight but others are not, “And you know them by there fruit”! Many races have lived in may places, and have been called many names, but are still the same people with the same fruit, century after century! Just as Israel was still a nation in Egypt, Babylon, and Assyria, and continues to this day though scattered around the globe. But ask yourself why would God say “And the whole world groans for the knowledge of the true sons of god” If we knew who and where they were? I say to you, find all the descriptions of his people, physically, but most importantly spiritually, what they say and what they do, predominately as a (people-race); and you have the answer; actions not locations of dwelling. Esau & Kane still live among us through there children who permeate the high places. But shortly there yoke will be broken!!!
As I said, I have heard of Texas, but I have never heard of Keniteland. Texas is a place, so one can be a Texan if the are Chinese by race. There was no land named after Kenites, because they were a nomadic race, so no one can be named a Kenite by geographical area. One can be known as a Midianite by area, even if they are of a different race because there was a land called Midian.
Midian was populated by the kenites. That’s why the group of men that moses ran off were keeping zipporah, jethro’s daughter, from using the well. Zipporah was israelite, not kenite. The midianites aka kenites worshipped baal-peor and Ashteroth, the queen of heaven. That’s why God had Israel wipe Midian out.
Abraham’s second wife, keturah, was not a kenite. Keturah was actually Hagar, who changed her name to Keturah. Keturah is a type of incense. Hagar changed her name to keturah, a reference to pleasantness of her repentance from her sinfulness duringbher exile.
What kind of moderation?
Wow Jesse I just read your update post I’m almost sick from reading more truth! Here is some things that have been revealed that I think you my like check them out.
Rev. starts the teaching at 9-11 about a destroyer who’s name is A-BAD-DON, also called the weak-one in Psalms’, this is about how the USA is going down the preverbal tube is being destroyed from the inside. Family-s taken apart religion changes government over control all going to ruin ! Also Psalms 9 to 11 chapter.
So check this out A-BAD-DON is
O-BA -MA, he is our inside destroyer of us the USA and, also the weak-one, think about it how he acts to other World leaders; he‘s weak! Now DON stands for like a man – a mafia ruler = head of like a family like the President of the USA. Look it up I did!
Here is a word study that GOD has taught me, it took almost 6 months of study before I was able to understand the WORD’S teaching me. And I prayed a long time before all the information was undrestood!
On to another named player at this time 07-19-2014 year. Russia’s Ruler Vladimir Putin. His name means Vlad is Blood , mir is Prince. So who or what is Putin on 7-17-14 GOD revealed to me who he is and who his family tree comes from. Believe or not here is the name Putin and it’s break down! Putin = this; P = person or family , ut = of , in = family of Cain , as Genesis person named Cain in the bible! So here is his real name Blood Prince of Cain’s family! (not good). He is in Psalms cpt. 10 the lawless one who will capture the weak-one. Putin noted in Psalms is setting up a trap to draw in ( the weak one ) Obama in to a war but also a trap to capture the weak-one who is Obama ( also the oppressed )! Just watch this plane that was just shot down by Putin’s army in the Ukraine this is part of the set up to draw the USA in to a war (at least one US person was on the plain)!
Putin is also named as vanity (note ) he just had a face lift and he is not that old! This is also a problem from his family tree that got Satan in trouble with GOD, for Satan thought that he was good enough to sit on GOD’S THROWN that was pure VANITY of Satan and the first real SIN.
Jesse hope you at least take a look at this reading and study, I have been given even more to this study and revelings.
Abaddon was a common name for the Devil. Abaddon is the leader of those who have hair like women and faces of men. These are the fallen angels who were involved in Satan’s plot. Satan is this destroyer.
The land of Midian was inundated with kenites, so much so that the majority of the people living in that area and called Midianites were also known as Kenites. The terms are used interchangeablely throughout the Bible. Moses wife was not a kenite by blood.
The reason moses future wife was prevented from using a well was because she was not a kenite by blood. Moses had to run the kenites off to allow his future wife to water her livestock.
I am done discussing this because none of you actually contend with what I wrote. None of you contend with what is written in the original Hebrew. Instead you all have preconceived thoughts that she wasn’t a Kenite because you don’t want her to be. What I wrote in the post and in the comments has not been countered by any of you because you can’t. Your take on what happened at the well has no backing in the Word. You just made an assumption that suits your preconceived notion. I don’t do that.
Yes you do do that. You have assumed by your interpretation of scripture, that all meats created by God are meant to be “received”, i.e. “eaten”. that is not true. As stated in your other thread concerning this subject, if you believe that all meats are to be eaten, go eat yourself a nice juicy buzzard after he has just finished eating off of a dead bloated, maggot ridden, corpse….
I am not here to argue with you. I apologized for my previous abrasive post. If I was abrasive in a post on this thread, I apologize again.
If anyone on this site wants to know what actual scripture reflects…i.e. scripture in the original Hebrew, not an interpretation…go to the Shepherds Chapel Network and listen to Dr. Arnold Murray and his son, Dennis Murray.
Although Dr. Arnold Murray has passed away, Dennis has taken over as head pastor and doing a very good job. Dr. Arnold Murray’s teaching is still shown on their channels. If you do not know where to find a channel on which they are located, call them and they will tell you.
Dr Murray ate pork, he just said it was a sin to eat it on Easter. He made that rule up himself, but this is what he said.
Love this website. Many, many Truths to be found here. I do however disagree with Pastor Murray eating pork except on Easter??? I hope this sentence is a joke, because if it’s not, then it seems to be an outright fib. Not sure where you heard that. That sentence alone is odd. If you ever studied with Pastor Murray at all, you would understand the significance of that sentence.
First off, I thank you for the compliment. Secondly, he did say this because I heard him say it myself. He was responding to a question during that question segment at the end of the program. A viewer asked him if it was a sin to eat ham on Easter. At first he winced, then said “Yeah it is.” He was torn on the question, but his explanation was that since it was such a holy day it was a sin. I never besmirch someone’s character by lying about them. I have no idea if you can find evidence of this on the web or not, but I saw him myself. I hope this helps.
What about Rechabites /Kenites they are also Cain seed? They were blessed by Yahweh 35:Jeremiah! For ever my love! Kenites were Midian!
I don’t get why so many of you seem to think that because one is a Kenite that they are destined to be evil. I don’t know who is teaching this garbage. Tell me, was Cain’s flesh evil or his deeds?
Jeremiah 35 chapter clearly shows that Kenite are seeed of Cain is Rubbish! Melchizedek order was given to Kenite Melchizedek king of Salem! He was king of Amorites, which there is high probability he was Amorite him self! Melchizedek was Kenite/Thinite origin, which was Cannanite /Amorite in origin. We know that Canaanites descent from or no?
I only go by what is written, and according to the original Hebrew, Kenites are of Cain. There is no room for interpretation. Now on the matter of the Rechabites, they were Kenites, but not all Kenites are of the house of Rechab. This is one reason why I point out that not all Kenites are evil. I am not making the connection that Melchizedek was a Kenite, and if he was it doesn’t matter. He was a holy man in the eyes of God, Kenite or not.
Not all Kenites/Gypsies follow Cain’s concept! Rechabite /Kenite /Roma Gypsies are proof! Nehemiah 3:4 is biblical proof that Roma Gypsies are part of Juda royal family!
Mose’s father-in-law WAS NOT a kenite, he was a Hebrew priest and only dwelt amongst the kenites. Research people, study!
All the Israelites were in Egypt. YOU research, study.
To Lolatheidiot, I refer you to my post “New Policy At My Site”. Stop commenting at my site!
JETHRO WAS Kenite /Thinite /Amorite in origin his half the second half was Midian. Jethro the midianite priest of Yahweh descent from Shasu Kenite priest elite from Melchizedek. Many People said Abraham was converted to Yahwinism by Amorites /Kenites Shasu that could be true!
Now u can what all hate Roma/Gypsies /Kenites descendants of Melchizedek and Jethro and Aroon!
There’s a few things to get to here. One, I apologize, but I do not approve comments that have links to something someone else has written. I do not know if these comments were intended for me, including the one about hating Kenites. I do not hate Kenites. My post “The Definitive Work on Kenites, Cain, and the Seed of Satan” will show this. I don’t know where you arrived to the conclusion that Melchizidek was a Kenite. Is it possible? Yes, but all it said was that he was the king of Salem.
Thank you for your intriguing treatise,friend. I cannot agree with your premise that Cain is the progeny of the serpent (Satan) and Eve as Genesis 4:1 plainly states that “Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.” KJV I never had the occasion or mind to look into the matter of the Kenites before — so, thank you. I look forward to the my journey down this rabbit hole 🙂
All children come from the Lord, because He created them -flesh and soul. God telling the serpent his children would have enmity against the woman’s children, and the nature of it being fulfilled, I am strong in my gelief on this matter. Genesis 6 speaks of angels specifically marrying human women. The book of Enoch gets into this very descriptively. Read my post “The Definitive Work on Kenites, Cain, and the Seed of Satan” for more information about Kenites. Glad to help. God bless you on your new journey.
Thanks for the informative post not possibly enough time to read every thing today but will at a later date. I always knew that there was more than we were taught.I came up in the mid 1960’s and doubted some of the catholic doctrines that I was taught.Maybe it was a gift not recognized until later but I was not comfortable with the doctrines of men,and I;m still not.The Holy Bible has all that I need to learn and know the truth and perhaps I am not to know more of the truth and I’ll leave that or take it as it comes.I think that I’ll know it when I see it or read it as the Lord has given me the gift of spiritual insight.The thing’s unfolding are easy to see for me spiritually and when I comment most think I’m a wacko but when these thing’s come to pass and they see they do start to listen and ask question’s. I do try to help and enlighten all who are seeking.God bless you brother,Alan R. Mainer
Thank you, and may God bless you as well. My advice has always been to all to always be willing to ask questions that all denominations leave, and be willing to receive answers that contradict demoninational or personal doctrine. Find that doctrine that takes down all questions. Take care.
Where did the Kennites come from, if they don’t trace back to Noah, an unbroken line to Cain of OLD?, did Cains offspring survive the flood.?
Yes, they were also on the ark. One pair or seven pairs, depending on what they were, of all flesh in the land were on the ark.
Jonadab was a kenite, did not God himself commenend them to Israel. Those books like Enoch bla, are they not babylon as is the Midras Talmud which is inclusive of angelology magic and the hocus pocus of witchcraft. Christianity, Islam seems to have adopted the myths and fables that constantly seduced the Israelites, making themselves polytheists part of the mysteries that hide the truth
You lost me here. I don’t know where you are coming from with the Talmud, Enoch setting up myths that Christianity and Islam would later adopt.
No offense, but your grammar is really bad. It was almost impossible, to understand what you meant, on most of your work! If someone would work on this, maybe it would make sense.But, I know that you love YAHWEH, OUR ELOHIM.
Perhaps you should tend to your own grammar. You have too many commas. There shouldn’t be commas after ‘impossible’ or ‘meant’. And it’s ‘Elowahh’ when speaking of God alone. ‘Elohiym’ is plural. My, grammar, is, fine, thank, you, very, much.
Im searching!!!! But, I feel Im being led to believe that the church of Philidelphia is of Cains lineage. Saved by Grace and Truth. Smryna are the good figs. Which is Israel. Which would make sence. The Kenites do know themselves. So they would know who say they are Jews but are not. Which is what seperates the two churches from the other five. But cant come out and just say it. They cant risk it. Giving up that bloodline would be putting oneself in danger if your a part of that bloodline. HENCE: Cain crying to GOD about being killed if man finds out who and what he is. So GOD placed a “mark” on him for protection. It is GODS will that all come to repentance. “Those who kill shall be killed”… Protection……….Which is the “mark in Revelation….. Strongs Concordance: A stone worn smooth over a long period of time. A stone though is not our ROCK!!!!!!!!Think about what jobs they do. Acting: The great city of L.A. Nickname: City of Angels. New York,New Jersey, Philidelphia which is nicknamed “The City of Brotherly Love”. It says that the offspring of the “sons of GOD” in Genesis would be giants and men of renoun!!!! Why!!!!!???? Because they are half celestrial and half man. Or over time would have traits and genes of the celestrial. Which in turn would give them special gifts. Healing powers, reading of minds, vision and hearing in the super natural. All the traits Christ and the apostles and our forefathers posessed. Thats why the serpent told Eve they would be like gods if she went with his lil sexepade. Im also researching Pauls lineage. I believe Paul is that lineage “saved by the bloodshed of CHRIST” and Peter represents the church of Smyrna. Paul=Philidelphia Peter=Smyrna Which is why Paul wasnt saved till after Christ rose. He couldent!!!! He was a gentile of cains lineage. The word says “no one will be with exuse”. So GOD is taking there exuse away…………. Open to suggestions!!!!!!!! Just a man on a mission.
I really find my head spinning after reading your comment. I am not even sure why I am replying to your comment, but here goes… Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin. He was not a Gentile. He was not saved after Jesus died on the cross. There was a reason Jesus did not give up on Paul, despite Paul’s persecution of Christians. He was chosen before he was born, as all prophets were, as Jeremiah 1:5 says.
Where the churches started from is irrelevant because all those churches at the beginning were the same churches, just different places. The church of Philadelphia is not made up of any particular nation or race, but are all prophets. Their names are in the book of life and cannot be removed. These are the prophets. The cities in the US? The names mean nothing.
I see a lot of people who treat the Bible as a way to script out a movie in their own minds with conspiracies, fantastical assumptions, and ridiculous plotlines. The more ridiculous it sounds, the more it must be true to some. I had one person tell me that John revealed in Revelation that Jesus was really the Antichrist through Greek numeric code. John the apostle of Jesus Christ revealed He was really the Antichrist? It sounds intriguing and ridiculous, so it must be true. Even though scripture by that very same John in that very same book said otherwise, she believed something that made her look like Dan Brown with her own Da Vinci Code. Stop with the paranoia and outthinking, or shall I say outdreaming, what is written. Does what you wrote really sound right to you? I hope not.
The bloodline of cain is satan not Adam. If you get that part right then follow him as he wanders… you will enjoy seeing what and how he’s like his dad…from the very beginning And will fool most people…If we’re not careful…peace
The Word says the unrighteous are taken, the righteous left.
Genesis 4:1 clearly states that Adam was the father of Cain. So, if you accept the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, then there you have it. However, if you don’t accept the Bible as the inerrant Word of God, then I guess anything goes.
Actually it doesn’t. What you missed was the original Hebrew, where instead of it saying “and she again bare his brother Abel”, like it says in the KJV, it should really read, “and she continued and bare his brother Abel”. This goes back to the prophecy of the Lord in 3:15. Also, the genealogy of Cain and Adam went in two different directions in Genesis and Chronicles.
cain is the son of satan and abel is the son of adam, eve did eat no apple but was
beguiled by satan twins, one a son of satan and one a son of adam
jesus gave us the parable of the wheat and the tares
religion does not teach the truth only God teaches the truth and so few find it
the sons of cain are the kenites the same that said crucify him
the same that have changed words in the bible
the same that are working for satan to deceive man today
it is a fact that a woman can have twins by two different fathers
it is a shame that people are not taught the truth but are given fairytales
you all are a bunch of fools, can doesnt have any descendants, all people on earth came through NOah and his three sons shem, Ham and Japheth, am disappointed at the foolisness of the writer
of this block, scripture says all people on earth are direct descendants of the three sons of noah
and for your information you fool, kenites are direct descendants of ABRaham, through his cushite
wife Keturah who bore hom six sons and the forth son Midian is the father of the kenites through
his descendant Jethro and Hobab num 10:29 who guided the israelites to get to the promised land and they settled there with the tribe of Judah according to Judges 1:16 you are a stupid fool that mislead uninformed people.
I have ad nauseum explained this, yet none of you contenders actually take down what I have written. You just have your opinions that I have already taken down.
Genesis 4
1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
If Cain is the serpents seed then why does Eve say she got a man, Cain from the Lord? Just because there would be mutual enmity between Satan’s and Eve’s seed doesn’t mean that Eve would have sexual relations with a snake and Eve would bare Satan’s child unless you would like us to believe that this was an un-immaculate conception. Adam knew his wife and if they were twins so what?
In addition the 3rd child of Adam and Eve was Seth. From Seth were the descendants Enoch and Noah. Enoch was taken, without dying, because he followed God and Noah built an ark because all life would be destroyed except for those taken on the ark because Noah was righteous. So Cain’s descendants were all destroyed. Genesis 4:16-17 speaks to Cain moving to Nod and his wife giving him a child but nowhere does it say that Cain is a Kenite.
Actually it does say Cain was the father of the Kenites, because on a couple of occasions the word “Kenite” was actually the word “Cain” in the original Hebrew. All children come from God, no matter who the father was. Since “Kenite” comes from “Cain”, it must mean they survived the flood, via the ark.
Satan will be coming before jesus pretending to be God (2nd thess c2) he will be booted out of heaven – he’s in heaven right now in chains held by michael behind the thrown of God – remember when jesus was here and was in wilderness 40 days and the devil was tempting him he finally said Satan get behind me – though his spirit can roam but he wont be here defacto until he is loosed from heaven (revelation c12v7& 8 – satan will be here 5 mos (Rev c9 – time he will be here was shortened to 5 mos . also tells us in mark c13 time was shortened and many other places. When Satan is here he will be in the holy place (Jerusalem) claiming to be God. He’s coming in peacefully and prosperously at first because hes claiming to be God. Rev c13v11 beast has 2 horns (Symbolizing power) like a lamb and he spake as a dragon- this is Satan that old serpent. The 1st beast symbolizes the one world political world peace system that suffers a deadly wound – then satan comes and gets all nations to be part of the 1 world world peace system.
Satan is not in chains in heaven. Job says Satan was allowed to go anywhere he wished. How could Satan tempt Jesus if he was chained in heaven?
Tim, I love the way you get people to come to an understanding of God. Sometimes your replies sound a bit vain though. With all due respect I am being constructive. Anyone that spends the amount of time you have dedicated to finding the truth is definitely under the eyes of God. Opinions are unique and just as special to God as everyone that has them. You exhibit a lot of patience but open-mindedness and willingness to guide others to the truth is the most important trait the elect has. Careful not to make others stumble. I am in no way saying anything negative and know how sometimes it’s hard to exhibit patience, but in those situations the best answer to a comment is no answer at all. For your conscience sake.
Something you may want to read to enhance your knowledge of the mark. A house will be divided, three against two and two against three. (3/2 and 2/3) The house that is divided is the house of the United States. Three against two is a time times and a half. Revelations is upon us and so the new age is coming on. Focus on similarities with others and not the differences. You can only do the planting, God will give the increase. Focus the knowledge you have on what is important. Defeating the enemy. God gave you that knowledge for a reason. Wake up and go hard for God.
The creation story set in the garden with Adam and Eve is a faulty fable. You would have a man made from red mud before there was even oxygen to breathe, nothing to eat, and the god who does the making is constantly flubbing up. Nevertheless, the story never had anything to do with a “satanic” figure and it’s clearly stated that Cain was conceived with the help of YHWH. This creation story has zip to do with the Genesis 1 creation, where everything is given a “good” evaluation — seven times — and the order makes sense. There’s no YHWH in this story.
YHWH was introduced to the Israelites by the Kenites. YHWH came “from Edom” — came “from the south”. Locations mentioned are Seir, Hor, Paran and Sinai.
As we all see, there is much division and skepticism in the world today surrounding religion as a whole, and it also exists, toward Christianity, in particular from many Americans. Many speak as if they know the answer, or as if they know God or Jesus, personally. Many of us think, “no, this man indeed does not know God,” (if God indeed exists, some think.) We are brother to men and woman like that all over the world, and often we hear men say, “You have to know God or Jesus personally,” (which has truth in it,) but we look at many of those people, and feel certain, no, this man or woman does not know God, like they would have us believe.
Many people have tossed the entire Bible from their hearts, because of so much influence from “hypocritical Christians.” It reminds me of the old saying, “Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.” The subtle wisdom that is in the Bible, which few would disagree with if they thought deeply on it, gets tossed out, and that is unfortunate. Yes, we quote from the Bible often in this paper, especially in the beginning to lay the foundation, but my message is only enhanced by the Bible, we speaking of things we know to be true in our heart, which we know to be our connection to God who is the source of wisdom. We use the Bible for a backup for what we know to be true, primarily inside of us. If it wasn’t true in our heart from our experience, we would not quote the Bible on it at all. Our wisdom said here, if you agree it is wisdom, is from our heart primarily. We just acknowledge it was also known two and three thousand years ago, and written down earlier. If you are skeptical, and we wouldn’t blame you, rest assured that our Lord is Jesus Christ. The only begotten son of God the Father. Who paid the atonement for our sins in blood and was resurrected from the dead by the Guardian of Light. Changing the throne of grace and judgment to a throne of grace and mercy. All glory goes to God.
We also want to point out, our purpose is not to be a “great writer,” so we may have made some grammatical errors, and may not have always followed all the laws of writing. Our purpose is to get out a powerful message, enhancing our lives, not to sound clever. Instead, we try to be authentic and speak what we know, from our heart. We hope you understand, and we hope you join us in this effort, to bring peace to those around us, and even bring peace, worldwide. Even though this wisdom is timeless, I think you will find that our effort in it, is new.
Cain was of that Wicked One (1st John 3)
I believe Moses father in law was a Midianite and not a Kenite. He was called a Kenite because he lived in the land of the Kenites but his father was a Midianite so he had to be one as well. While most of us call ourselves American in most cases it is not because of our bloodline it is because of where we live.
How many times must I say this??? If that were the case, then the opposite would be true. There was no “Keniteland”, but there was a land called Midian. He would be a Midianite for the area he lived in. And according to the original Hebrew, he was a Kenite by blood, as Kenites were descended from Cain.
are the kenites and the ashkenazi jews one and the same?
No. Ashkenazi/Ashchenazi Jews come straight from the line of Seth (1st Chronicles 1:6).
, Kenite is Arameic name for Smith not a race!
It’s an amazing thing when people can’t do a simple thing called ‘reading’. Twice “Kenite” was mistranslated, and the original Hebrew word was “Cain”, and it was in context of talking about Kenites. Many names have definitions, and besides the Old Testament wasn’t written in Aramaic, and I see no Hebrew definition of “Kenite” other than a tribe.
Why wont this upload to facebook ?
I am not on fb. I got rid of it years ago because I started getting a ton of spam emails from false email addresses that were from fb, so I knew they were selling their users data to every Tom, Dick, and Harry out there. If you recall, fb had financial problems shortly after going public on the market, so as a way to make money, they sold the data of their users. I knew this about four or five years ago, so I got off of it. Now people are realizing what they’ve done, and they pretty much have admitted it since fb COO Sheryl Sandberg has said there will be a paid for “opt-out” option to come to make up for them not selling the data of their users. There was also a leaked statement made by Zuckerberg years ago when asked why people just give him their ssn’s, he said “They trust me. Dumbf****.” I suggest getting off fb and twitter, because I’m sure they do it, too. The people who run these services, especially fb, are scumbags who’d sell their own mothers for a buck, but are ironically anti-capitalist. They also go to great lengths to keep their information private, but yours? They’ll sell every bit of info they have on you, or soon charge you to keep your information private. As far as the uploading goes, they also censor content they don’t like, so you’ll have to ask them. I used to get a lot of fb referrals, not so much anymore.
Moses did not marry a kenite, Jethro and his daughters lived in Ethiopia the land of the kenites, Jethro was a Midianite priest Midian was a son of Abraham and Ketura Gen chapter # 25.
I guess you didn’t read in the comments where your assertion is completely faulty. I won’t re-explain it a 50th time.
Mehh ..you jump to too many conclusions. This is utterly ridiculous aside from the scribes of the D.S.S. pointing out that the “Kenites” are the perpetrators of some great evil acts in the future. Aside from finding an agreement with them in the root, and family name ..your ability to track them through time, and find their modern linage falls wildly short.
You should do better research if you believe this to be true ..but, I honestly think it’s stupid myself to think scripture is not really scripture, and that it was altered as early as the times of Moses.
If so, what’s the point of even being Christian, or a Jew? How do we even know Messiah even obeyed the laws of God, and fulfilled the Levitical Law and was even worthy of making Atonement ..if we can’t be sure He even fulfilled them?
You really are causing more complications with this in many other issues rather than just simply identifying a sect of evil doers. You should think this out a bit more.
I don’t know how you can read what I wrote and give this so-called summary. Your question about Christ made zero sense, and this post doesn’t even have anything to do with Christ. I never even hinted that scripture was altered, other than mistranslations that occurred afterwards. If you think the KJV is without errors, then you are completely uneducated about it.
If you don’t know that Kenites aren’t identifiable by looks, then again you are uneducated about it. There is no physical feature that identifies one as a Kenite, so me “falling wildly short” on their modern lineage… duh! No kidding! If there was an identifiable quality or feature as to what distinguishes one as a Kenite, then everyone would know what a Kenite is. This is seriously one of the stupidest critiques I have ever gotten.
Sounds like you studied the same Doctrine as Arnold Murray. Now, there are things that I agree with Doctor Murray. I believe he got a lot of the Bible correct. Some though, I question. Serpent Seed doctrine, and kenites are the most outstanding. Pre-Trib Rapture I’m not worried for this I believe as Doctor Murray stated; “When the true Christ appears, we won’t be in our flesh body for we’ll be changed into a spiritual body”. So, if the pre-trib rapture doesn’t happen, this means antichrist will come on the scene, promising to “rapture us out”. Problem is, he cant change us into a spiritual body so I won’t be deceived. Some will, but if I’m alive when it happens, I’ll surely be telling them to stick a knife in their hand to see if they bleed. Many schools of thought lambasted Murray, I won’t because I believe he had a lot correct regardless of my thoughts on the serpent seed and kenites. He is gone now so perhaps they’ll leave him alone. I leave you with this. Seek GOD through JESUS CHRIST, ask HIM to unlock the doors that no one can unlock and send you SAVIOURthe TRUTH through much prayer, fasting, study and meditation in our FATHER’S WORD through the name YESHUA, JESUS CHRIST our SAVIOUR, Amen.
Actually I never studied through Pastor Murray. I watched him now and then, but I didn’t go by anything he said. I did my own work, whether it be about Kenites or the rapture. He actually got a lot of things wrong, but he was better than most. I was pushed to fast a lot back several years ago, including a forty day fast, which I wrote about. My reward was something nearly impossible to believe.
One thing I see hear people do, over and over again, is misuse of the word “Jew”. During the time of Christ, the word “Jew” was used to label someone from Judea, regardless of race. The few Israelites who still lived their were called Jews as well, simply because of where they called home. The word “Texan” is used in the same way. The KJV of the bible added to the confusion with it’s bad translations. I guess they did ok,considering it was translated to old English in 1611. The KJV often uses the word “Jew”, when it should have used ” Judite”. Also, remember, there were 9 other tribes of Israel, who were scattered about, and didn’t live in Judea. Israel was a name given to Jacolb and his descendants. It’s not a place in the middle east. Very few of today’s Jews are descended from Israel. Their own dictionary says they are Edomite. It also says that it’s incorrect to call a Jew an Israelite.
The Edomites, who were from the Canaanites, had taken over the religious side of government withing Judea. A little history research will explain that situation better than I can. It was Edomite pharisees and other religious leaders that crucified Christ, not Israelites.
It’ important that we don’t add to the confusion by referring to Jews as Israel. The real Israel are mostly those of white European descent. Not saying all. BTW, Jews aren’t the same as the white race. They will tell you that in a hurry. Irish and Scotts are from the Maccabees, who came from the tribe of Judah……as I understand from my own research. Also, you can find the emblems of the different tribes displayed on coats of armor from many European countries, King David’s territory stretched well into western Europe. Some of the Welsh still speak Hebrew today. Anyway, let’s not get it twisted.
Thanks for the opportunity to share my thoughts.
Most of the caucasians in Europe are not of Israeli descent. The caucasians had none of the Israelite traditions or laws when they supposedly arrived in Europe. The Europeans back then were a lawless people, uncultured and barely saying “orf”, outside the Greeks. Israelites afterwards went to Europe, but the Europeans were less than welcoming. There is a long history of anti-semitic behavior in Europe. If the Europeans were Israelites, why try to eradicate their own people over and over again?
Watch out for the Kenites will try to tear you up . watch they are ever where , they are some of the smartest people of the world . John 8:4 the Scribes and Pharisees wanted to stone her , they were kenites . watch out they in churches and Etc.
sons of cain, people are not that wise to the word of God or the words of jesus, they also dont realize that the antichrist is satan, in person, on earth and he will bring his fallen angels back for another round of pre flood confusion and folly,
they will have NO power of those with the seal of God IN their BRAINS,
satan is at work with his little minions as we speak, democrats know it , but cant admit it, and so very few even know anymore, sad how dumb to the word people are.
Well said! The Demoncrapts became Satan’s foot soldiers.
I hope to prove to you once and for a that Jethro was not a Kenite. You stated that their was no land named “Kenite”. There actually was, it is listed in Joshua 15:57 as one of the 10 cities.
Jos 15:55-57
Maon, Carmel, and Ziph, and Juttah, And Jezreel, and Jokdeam, and Zanoah, CAIN, Gibeah, and Timnah; ten cities with their villages:
NEVER is Jethro called a Kenite, here are all the scriptures, minus the chapter and verse, that mention Moses’s father-in-law, Jethro/Reuel/Raguel.
1.) Now the priest of Midian had seven daughters: and they came and drew water, and filled the troughs to water their father’s flock.
2.) And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?
3.) Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the PRIEST OF MIDIAN: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
4.) And Moses went and returned to Jethro his father in law, and said unto him, Let me go, I pray thee, and return unto my brethren which are in Egypt, and see whether they be yet alive. And Jethro said to Moses, Go in peace.
5.) When Jethro, the PRIEST OF MIDIAN, Moses’ father in law, heard of all that God had done for Moses, and for Israel his people, and that the LORD had brought Israel out of Egypt; Then, Jethro, Moses’ father in law, took Zipporah, Moses’ wife, after he had sent her back,
6.) And Jethro, Moses’ father in law, came with his sons and his wife unto Moses into the wilderness, where he encamped at the mount of God:
7.) And he said unto Moses, I thy father in law Jethro am come unto thee, and thy wife, and her two sons with her.
8.) And Jethro, Moses’ father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses’ father in law before God.
These 8 scriptures pertain to Jethro, always called a priest of Midian, never anything about being a Kenite.
Numbers 10:29 And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel THE MIDIANITE, (NOT RAGUEL THE KENITE) Moses’ father in law, We are journeying unto the place of which the LORD said, I will give it you: come thou with us, and we will do thee good: for the LORD hath spoken good concerning Israel.
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Numbers 10:29 And Moses said unto Hobab (MOSES’ BROTHER-IN-LAW), the son of Raguel THE MIDIANITE, (NOT RAGUEL THE KENITE) Moses’ father in law, We are journeying unto the place of which the LORD said, I will give it you: come thou with us, and we will do thee good: for the LORD hath spoken good concerning Israel.
So Moses invites his brother-in-law to join Israel. He declined, but ends up going.
Jos 15:55-57
Maon, Carmel, and Ziph, and Juttah, And Jezreel, and Jokdeam, and Zanoah, CAIN, Gibeah, and Timnah; ten cities with their villages:
Moses is now dead, 40 years, give or take, have passed since he invited Hobab to join Israel. Now Joshua is called to lead Israeland the cities are listed in the time of Joshua. Moses’ B-I-L was never mentioned about departing, so it is safe to assume they stuck around.
Judges 1:16 And the children of the Kenite, Moses’ father in law (brother-in-law?), went up out of the city of palm trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah, which lieth in the south of Arad; and they went and dwelt among the people.
Now Joshua has passed away and we are moving forward. Here is where I feel you are being tripped up. The word “father-in-law” also means “brother-in-law” as seen in jUDGES 4:11. You assume that the mention of father in law in this passage is speaking of Jethro. I don’t agree. I feel it is speaking about Hobab. It is very possible and probable that Hobab settled in the city of Cain, thus becoming known as a Kenite. For later we see Heber, a descendant of Hobab, sever himself from the Kenites, not that he is a Kenite. Furthermore, God himself said the the Kenites would be in the land: Gen 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites. I’m sure they named a city after their forefather. Also, you cannot say that Cain is not the same as Kenite, because you use Numbers 24:22 to say the word Kenite should have been translated Cain.
Judges 4:11 Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the FATHER IN LAW (Actually brother-in-law) of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.
From Strong’s:
Hobab = “cherished”
the son of Reuel, the Midianite father-in-law of Moses, also known as Jethro, and brother-in-law of Moses
You made a comment to a poster that the ability to not grow plants was limited to Cain. If that is true, than perhaps being a nomad was limited to Cain. Cain ended up building a city if you recall, he named it after his son. He didn’t wander long.
Gen 4:12
When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
Re: Judges 1:16 & Numbers 10:29.
Who was Hobab’s father? Ragual.
Ragual was a Midianite.
Median was a son of Abraham.
How can Hobab be a Kenite if his father was a Hebrew?
If you are a Russian and move to America, then you are now referred to as an American.
So Hobab was a Kenite for the area he lived in, but Raguel was a Midianite by blood? I see.
Why not? Yeshua was a Galilean for the area he lived in, but an Israelite by blood.
Please read the comments. Galilee was not a tribe that I know of. Kenites were a nomadic tribe, therefore they had no true place of their own. That’s why.
True, Galilee was not tribe, it was a location. That being said, how do you account for the city of Cain in Josh 15:55-57. Someone living in that area would be known as a Kenite, regardless if they were a full blooded Kenite or an Israelite.
Not exactly. As I said, they were a nomadic tribe. The city or land of Cain was probably where Cain himself settled. His children became nomadic.
You kind of went around my question. Who cares if the Kenites were nomadic. A person, regardless of race, living in the city of Cain is known as a Kenite. Yes or no? “Not exactly” is skirting the issue. Yeshua was an Israelite from the tribe of Judah living in Galilee, known as a Galilean. True or False? Hobab is a man presumably called a Kenite in Judges 1:16. How are you so certain he was not called a Kenite because he possibly lived in the city of Cain? Back to Kenites being nomadic. You never responded to my lengthy comment wherein I pointed out that you told one of the people that commented that the inability to grow plants was limited to Cain. Why is that limited to Cain, but not the part where he is a vagabond and a wanderer? You are trying to have your cake and eat it too. Did Cain not build a city??? I’m not trying to argue with you, I’m trying to get you to see that there are different ways of looking at things. For instance Judges 1:16, How are you so certain that “father-in-law” is the correct translation when it is known that it can also refer to a brother-in-law, mother-in-law, son-in-law? Your entire argument that Moses’ father-in-law was a Kenite is built on 2 scriptures that NEVER even mention Jethro/Raguel, they say nothing more than “And the children of the Kenite, Moses’ father-in-law…” and “Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father-in-law of Moses…”. You have 4 very clear scriptures that actually refer to Jethro/Raguel being called the priest of Midian and a Midianite. The 2 you build your hypothesis on are referring to Hobab, the brother-in-law of Moses, who journeyed with him into the promised land.
If you weren’t so reactionary that Moses’ father in law wasn’t a Kenite by blood, like it would be an offense to be one, then you people wouldn’t be so adamant about this. As I have stated before, God told Cain himself that if he did well he would be rewarded. God didn’t know who Cain was? Of course He did. The flesh of Satan had the ability to do good. He just didn’t. Who cares if Kenites were nomadic? Ummm I do, since nomadic people are by definition travelers with no real home of their own. Of course they had an origin. Everyone has an origin. “Did Cain not build a city???” A city as I referred to it doesn’t need to have buildings and what not. It could have simply been a territory he lived in. That’s what most of those city/territories were named after-men who settled on a piece of land, especially since this was so early. The reason it says Heber was a Kenite was to make a separation of bloodline, or else he would have been only known as a Midianite. Why call him a Kenite when he lived in Midian? Why differentiate him? You guys want to hold onto the thought that someone that good couldn’t be a Kenite, then that’s on you. My point in this and other posts about Kenites is when they commit evil, these will be their motivations. I also learned that lineages really don’t mean much when it comes to evil, which is written. It’s the individual that counts. I am truly done discussing this with you or anyone else. Keep your opinion as you wish. I’ve said my peace.
Actually I am not the adamant one, you are. I am well aware what God said to Cain and nor do I deny that a Kenite can be accepted IF he does well, he would be accepted. Now that that is established, lets move forward.
I will give you that building a city does not necessarily mean buildings and what not, but you did admit that these cities/territories were named after men who SETTLED THAT LAND, in the case of Cain, he named his city/territory after his son, who is a Kenite. So therefore the Kenites did have a city/territory by your own admission, since Cain named the city/territory after his son.
I told you why Heber was called a Kenite, but you refuse to acknowledge that fact, you keep dancing around the issue. I will explain it one more time. Jethro/Raguel is ALWAYS, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, call the priest of Midian or a Midianite. Moses let Jethro depart back to (now get this) BACK TO HIS OWN LAND. According to you, Kenites are wanderers and with no real home of their own, yet Jethro is returning to his own land. Moses ends up inviting the son of Jethro/Raguel, Hobab, who is Moses brother-in-law, to join him and the Israelites to the promised land. At first Hobab declines, but ends up going.
Now back to Heber, you said about Heber: “Why call him a Kenite when he lived in Midian?”. That is very poor exegesis. You assume Heber lived in Midian despite the fact that this is way past the time of Moses, Joshua, Othniel, Ehud and Shamgar.. Moses died at 120, Joshua died at 110. Joshua was a young man during the Exodus, wandered the wilderness for 40 years and entered the promise land and eventually died. According to Judges 2:7, the Israelites served Joshua and the elders who outlived Joshua. Eventually that generation of elders passed and another generation rose up who served Baalim. In Judges 2:16 God raises up judges, the first was Othniel who served 40 years. Ehud was the next judge, the land rested 80 years. Shamgar was the next judge, unspecified amount of time, Deborah is the next judge of Israel and it is at this very point in history that Heber is mentioned. So, tell me how could Heber have lived in Midian??? Do you think that it is possible, just possible that Hobab started a family with one of the women of Israel and settled in the city of Cain and his descendants became known as Kenites by location which is why Heber is called a Kenite? The answer is a resounding YES, whether you want to admit it or not. Doesn’t matter if someone is “that good”, the fact remains, Jethro was not a Kenite and nor were his descendants.
You said your piece, (not peace) but you refused to even acknowledge the proof that you asked for and when someone does bring it forward, you deflect. That is not the way to debate by avoiding the questions, You only chose to answer certain ones and avoid the others that put your theory on shaky ground. CAN SOMEONE WHO RESIDED IN THE CITY OF CAIN BE KNOWN AS A KENITE, YES OR NO????? You can’t answer this and you won’t because you would have to admit that you just may be wrong and that hurts your pride. Pride goeth before destruction, remember that.
Your points are silly to say the least. The peace/piece part I got right originally, but I looked at the phrase on google and as I was typing it, the “peace” spelling came up, so I’m blaming google. Since Kenites were nomadic, look up the term if you have to, they left Cain’s territory, and wandered. I assumed that Heber lived in Midian? Where did Moses meet his wife and father in law? Oh that would be Midian. It’s not that I don’t like debating. How many comments are on this post???!! It’s way past tedious now.
My points are not silly. Your refusal to answer the questions is what is silly, quit acting like a petulant child. That is what someone says when they do not have an answer and continue to circle back to the Kenites being nomadic. I know what nomadic means, I have no need to look it up. Of course it was Midian where Moses met Jethro and Zipporah, what does that have to do with anything?
1.) Yeshua was an Israelite, but lived in the territory known as Galilee, therefore he was a Galilean. If Hobab settled in the city of Cain in Jos 15:57 would not a Midianite living in Cain be known as a Kenite? Yes or no? Why or why not?
2.) If the inability to plant crops was only meant for Cain, as you said to another person in this comment section, than it should also stand that so too was the portion about being a vagabond.
Yes or no? Why or why not?
3.) If Hobab possibly settled in the allotment given to Judah, more specifically the city of Cain, would he not be known as a Kenite? Yes or no? Why or why not?
4.) Now that you know Heber never lived in Midian and that Hobab was an ancestor of his, would not Heber be known as a Kenite, instead of a Midianite, because he lived in the city of Cain where Hobab settled?
Yes or no? Why or why not?
5.) Can you show me in the Bible where Jethro/Raguel was called a Kenite? Yes or no? Why or why not?
6.) If Kenites don’t own land, how could Jethro go back to his OWN land?
7.) Now how are these points contained within these questions silly???
Would someone who lived in Cain be known as a Kenite? No. I keep saying that Kenites were a bloodline-nomadic people. As it says in the Strong’s, a tribe. A tribe is by relation, not location. Him being known as a Kenite shows a bloodline. You said he was a Midianite by blood. If that’s the case, he would have been labeled a Midianite long after him or his family left. What I wrote of the Kenite/Cain connection in terms of the Hebrew wouldn’t apply here. Such as Heber the Kenite/Cain in Judges 4:11, where were they? Were they in the territory of Cain? The battle with Sisera… where was it? I didn’t see territory of Cain anywhere. The phrase “children of the Kenite”, would that be geographic??? I’m from a place called Portage. Am I a child of Portage? No, I’m a child of my parents, again denoting bloodline. The Kenites in the battle were known as Kenites to separate them from the others of the same territory, which is why I didn’t directly answer that question. I actually have done it dozens of times throughout this post, comment section, and other posts. You didn’t have some checkmate question I couldn’t answer. Like I said, it’s tedious. I have been debating this for years, and make no headway. You ask questions but not the right questions because then I’d be right. There were Israelites and Kenites in that territory fighting together, but only Kenites are labeled for the area they lived in? Come on!
Boy, you are just downright stubborn.
You said in answer to my question: No, I keep saying that Kenites were a bloodline-nomadic people
I know, I keep saying how you keep circling back to that same circular argument. I CLEARLY understand you, it is you who do not understand me. If I lived in a town called Solon, I would be known as a Solonite, true fact actually. If I lived in Jezreel, I would be known as a Jezreelite. If I lived in Galillee, I would be known as a Galilean and if I lived in the city of Cain, I would be known as a Kenite. It doesn’t matter that the Kenites were a nomadic people, this is about a city specifically named Cain. Get it through your head, we are talking about the name of a CITY, not a people. You act as if a city cannot have the name Cain, and you act as if a people living in Cain cannot be called Kenites, that is ridiculous.
Next you said: As it says in the Strong’s, a tribe. A tribe is by relation, not location.
OK, if that is the case than Jethro is a Midianite by relation, not location. Ever hear of the rule of first mention? First time Jethro is mentioned he is said to be a Midianite and a priest iof Midian, not a Kenite.
You said: Him being a Kenite shows a bloodline. You said he was a Midianite by blood?
Who is “him” and “he”?
You said: If that is the case, he would have been labeled a Midianite long after him or his family left.
I assume “he” here is referring to Heber? Well Jethro was labeled a Midianite and you refuse to accept that fact. Why is Jethro called a Midianite if, according to you, a tribe is by relation, not location. Jethro was from the tribe of Midian. at the end of this comment, I will finish commenting on this thought of yours. Moving on.
You said: *What I wrote of the Kenite/Cain connection in terms of the Hebrew wouldn’t apply here. Such as Heber the Kenite/Cain in Judges 4:11, where were they? Were they in the territory of Cain? The battle of Sisera, where was it? I didn’t see territory of Cain anywhere.
Why wouldn’t it? I did look it up and H7014 has 2 biblical usages, Cain (the eldest son) and Kenites (smiths) the tribe that Moses’ (assumed) father-in-law, but most likely brother-in-law, was a member. Are you assuming because H7014 was translated “Cain” 14x, that Numbers 24:22 should say Cain instead of Kenite? So you don’t think it is possible that they used the 2nd biblical usage of H7014? OK! Where were they? I assume you mean Heber and his wife Jael. Bible doesn’t say where Heber was originally at, only that he severed himself from the Kenites and pitched his tent toward the plain of Zanaaim which is near Kadesh, a city in the extreme south of Judah. The battle of Sisera took place by the River Kishon in central Palestine. If you go back to my last comment, 1st question, I asked you IF it was possible that Hobab settled in the city of Cain and IF he did, would he not be known as a Kenite which ties in with question #4. So IF Hobab did and was called a Kenite by the city/location he settled in, then it stands to reason that Heber might also be a Kenite by city/location because he maintained his dwelling there long after Hobab. I admit mine is speculation, but so is yours.
* This is the comment I made that you were referring to above. “Also you cannot say that Cain is not the same as Kenite because you use Numbers 24:22 to say the word Kenite should have been translated Cain.”
You said: The phrase “children of the Kenite, would that be geographic?
Sure could if Hobab settled in the city of Cain. “The children of Israel”, for instance, is always written in the Bible “the children of Israel”, not the children of THE Israelite. Or, “children of Levi, not children of THE Levite. Or, “children of Aaron, not children of THE Aaronite. “The” points to a specific person, not a group, THE KENITE, SINGULAR. Lev 25:45 has the children of THE strangers”, in this case a specific group, THE STRANGERS, plural. Otherwise it would say “the children of Cain”. That being said, Hobab and Heber could very possibly have been workers of metal or smiths. Thus “the children of the smith”. If that is what is implied, than not by relation or location, but occupation. Back in those days and well into our time, sons often pursued the occupation of the father. Just like Yeshua was a carpenter like Joseph. And, on top of that, H7017 is used, not H7014, in both Judges 1:16 and Judges 4:11 which does come from H7014, but is connected to the 2nd usage of H7014, that being the “smiths”, not Cain. Yes, H7017 is also translated Kenites in relation to Cain’s descendants. In Strong’s it says: A Kenite (smith) OR a member of the tribe of Kajin (Cain).Context determines its usage. So, seeing Jethro was a priest, Hobab must be a smith as well as Heber, why else use “the”, THE Kenite, THE smith.
You said: I’m from a place called Portage. Am I a child of Portage? No, I am a child of my parents, again, denoting bloodline.
Yeshua was from a place called Galilee. Is he a child of Galilee? No, he is a resident of Galilee known as a Galilean. You are a Portagean. If Hobab resided in the city of Cain, he would be a Kenite. If he was a metal worker, he would be a Kenite. If he was a relation to Cain, he would be a Kenite.
The Kenites in the battle were were known as Kenites to separate them from the others of the same territory, which is why I didn’t directly answer that question.
I assume you are referring to question #6 which says “If Kenites don’t own land, how could Jethro go back to his OWN land? Not sure how that answers my question, but yes, I know Saul went to battle against Amalek and told the Kenites to separate from the Amalekites, but what does that have to do with Jethro going back to his OWN land if Kenites do not own land? Which brings me to another possibility. If Hobab is a direct descendant of Cain, instead of by location or occupation, there is another possibility. What if Hobab was a Kenite and married one of Jethro’s daughters, thus making him a brother-in-law of Moses? it says in Strong’s under H7017: “The tribe from which the father-in-law of Moses was a member and which lived in the area between southern Palestine and the mountains of Sinai.” Who was the one called a Kenite? Like I said, it wasn’t Jethro, it was Hobab. Judged 1:16 and Judges 4:11 go together. Judges 4:11 is telling you that the unnamed Kenite in 1:16 is Hobab. Stong’s should have said “The tribe from which Moses brother-in-law was a member, not father-in-law. This also answers your question about where Heber was.The area the Kenites lived in was between S. Palestine and the mountains of Sinai. So when Heber separated himself from the Kenites, he went north to the most southern point of Judah. Apparently the Kenites are the “they” of Judges 4:12 who showed Sisera that Barak was headed to Mt. Tabor. Or, the “they” could be Heber and Jael, though she isn’t mentioned until later on, but could be assumed.
As for the rest of your comment, no, you did not answer all my questions, for instance 2, 3 and 5. And you didn’t answer how certain you are that “father-in-law” was the correct translation. Guess those are the checkmate questions you won’t answer.
Anyhow, I will cede you this, only because I proved it to myself, that Hobab was a Kenite as was Heber. I will not cede you that Jethro was, I believe he was 100% Midian and that is why he went back to his OWN land. Hobab was indeed the brother-in-law of Moses via being married to one of Jethro’s daughters.The Kenites were living in the land of Midian, they were probably the ones who chased Jethro’s daughters from the well. I do not believe that there intentions were pure, but were much like the Hivites in Joshua 9. The Hivites knew that they were to be destroyed according to Deu 20:17 and pretended to be something they were not by tricking Israel. Kenites are crafty. If the Kenites warned Sisera about Barak don’t you think it is possible that Heber left and knew exactly where to pitch his tent? It says that there was peace between Heber and Jabin. Sisera was the captain of Jabin’s army. How did Sisera know to flee to Heber and Jael’s tent who he felt he was safe with? Might not they have done this to gain favor with Israel for killing Jael, an ulterior motive. They had to know that they were on that list mentioned to Abraham, albeit, they are not mentioned in Deu 20:17 and albeit the list told to Abraham says nothing of destruction at that point. That may be because they tricked the Israelites by pretending to be for them and were not destroyed and therefore not mentioned. Saul wouldn’t have been the wiser for it. Afterall, the Kenites put their nest in high places. And one final note. God told Cain IF HE did well, would he not be accepted. Cain was being tested and failed, he did not do well. Doubt his descendants do either. So, I take back that I believe a Kenite can be accepted, Cain made sure of that with his decision to kill Abel. The tares will be gathered and burned. Consider the matter closed unless you have something more you would like to say.
Nope.
I’m not convinced, this seems more like speculation and imagination, than truly Bible-based teaching. The flood destroyed ALL life, with the exception of those that were onboard Noah’s Ark. Cain and his descendants did not survive the flood, only Noah and his family. When others show up much later, and also have the name Cain (or Cainites), these were clearly different people with the same name. Just because two people have the same name, they’re not necessarily the same person. There are a bunch of different Josephs in the Bible, and they are not the same person. There are also several different people groups with the same name, and they’re not the same people. Think of “Indians” today, i.e. Native Americans vs. people from India. I do not think the “Cain” groups before and after the flood were the same at all, and the latter group were positively described in the Bible. However, even though the original Cain and his descendants were wiped out in the Flood of Noah, there can of course still be individual persons with a violent and cruel “Cain heart” and personality. Not a race or a people, but a character, which can be found in any group of people, and which can be healed if people only repent and turn to God for forgiveness, restoration and grace. God bless!
If you look for geneology of Jezebel the Queen of north Israel,she was Kenite,but in some historical evidences she is Phonecian. Kenites also known as Ballites. Ball was first king and founder of Phonecia (TYR). Baal was son of Nimrod and prince of Panch Chaldean dynasty. They belong to Pali race mixed with Kush. (Pali -Palistini or Philistini). Hindu Aryan – Egyptian race.
The Philistines were in the Mediterranean, southwest of Judea, in the days of Abraham. Of course, they were emigrants from a foreign land, both from Jeremiah and from Amos. The Septuagint calls them “foreigners” or “cretches”.
“According to the Hindoo tradition, a powerful tribe called the Pali-Puhas migrated from India, seized Arabia and the coast west of the Red Sea (or Edom Sea) and spread to the shores.” Mediterranean. Some think that they were the ancestors of the Philistines, and find support for their views in fact about the early civilization of Crete and that Pali-stan is a shepherd in Sanscrito, the ancient language of (northern) India. – H. A. N. The Hebrew name Philisti is PL-ST, where Palestine or Pali-stan comes from.
The Indian origin of the Philistines confirms the political identity of tribal customs. Like the ancient Hindostan, their land was divided into nomas, which was a characteristic feature of the Hindoos and Mizraimites at the time. They seem to have considerable similarities in other functions as well. So they were foreigners in the country and from a foreign and well-known country, and that neither in Europe, Africa nor in West Asia did their being “brought up from the land of Kaftor” indicate an Oriental origin. KPTRIM also had to be in the east. As well as customs, castes and physical type
The Egyptians or Mizraimites were tribal or special to this family of nations, and because they all exist and existed in India in the most distant antiquity, there can be no doubt about the Egyptian and Hindu identity of the race. Kenites were one of clan of Pali. Also Kenites were famous with Baal Cain Mark,which they tatooed on their head. Some of Kenites convert to Melchizedek teaching Nordan was very good student of Melchizedek. Nordan belong to family which Jethro came from.
After the first Chaldea was destroyed,there was two migration of Panch dynasty from Sumeria,one to India and one one to Cannan. Both were same origin. Latter some of Pali migrated from India to Cannan were their brothers allredy lived and to Mediterranean Crete.